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great talk on conservatives vs. liberals - mattkime - 09-17-2008
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.html
Re: great talk on conservatives vs. liberals - guitarist - 09-17-2008
Good find, maktime. Loaded with insight. The "moral matrix", good stuff.
JONATHAN HAIDT is Associate Professor of Psychology at the University of Virginia, where he does research on morality and emotion and how they vary across cultures.
I'd read this article in edge.org several days ago, was thinking of offering it here. It outlines some of the social studies he conducted that contribute to the conclusions discussed here, in the video clip of his talk. It asks the question:
"What makes people vote Republican?"
The findings challenge many of our righteous instincts and divisive tribal assumptions, exploring our shared views of morality, how they inform our political choices.
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/haidt08/haidt08_index.html
"...the second rule of moral psychology is that morality is not just about how we treat each other (as most liberals think); it is also about binding groups together, supporting essential institutions, and living in a sanctified and noble way. When Republicans say that Democrats "just don't get it," this is the "it" to which they refer."
Re: great talk on conservatives vs. liberals - $tevie - 09-17-2008
I can't even begin to get into how much I disagree with Haidt. So I won't.
Re: great talk on conservatives vs. liberals - Filliam H. Muffman - 09-17-2008
An interesting twisting of ideas with just enough truth to draw people in. It reminds me of a proof I saw in high school where 0.5 = 2.
Re: great talk on conservatives vs. liberals - mattkime - 09-17-2008
ug, critical remarks without substance might as well be name calling.
i found his talk interesting but i'm certainly curious to hear a counterargument.
Re: great talk on conservatives vs. liberals - guitarist - 09-17-2008
An author of a book about moral psychology is not your usual political commentator. It's egghead sort if stuff, I agree. But there's not a whole lot there that's objectionable or disagreeable. It's just academic, theoretical. Politics is not really his turf. He strikes me as a science-and-research oriented author and obvious liberal, pandering to, and preaching to, a liberal audience, being a bit patronizing.
I'm curious, though, what parts of his discussion are objectionable? As academics go, he's entertaining and informed, not as boring and of full of political hooey as many of his peers in academia. If you have exposure to Evolutionary Psychology, his ideas aren't unfamiliar. The way he applies them are original, and questionable, but he makes a good case. I liked the article better than the video, the article seems aimed at a wider audience.
Re: great talk on conservatives vs. liberals - Plumbking - 09-18-2008
guitarist wrote:
I'm curious, though, what parts of his discussion are objectionable?
I am conservative and I don't eat at Applebee's.
I am conservative and I watch TED
I am conservative and I am open to new ideas
This was blatantly biased.
Re: great talk on conservatives vs. liberals - Lux Interior - 09-18-2008
Plumbking wrote:
I am conservative and I don't eat at Applebee's.
I am conservative and I watch TED
I am conservative and I am open to new ideas
I only watched about half, before I ran off to eat cheese, drink wine & have sex (there are quotas here), but did he say there were no exceptions?
Obviously, there will be.
Re: great talk on conservatives vs. liberals - Filliam H. Muffman - 09-18-2008
Lux Interior wrote:
I only watched about half, before I ran off to eat cheese, drink wine & have sex (there are quotas here), but did he say there were no exceptions?
Are you starting to have urges to surrender yet?
Re: great talk on conservatives vs. liberals - guitarist - 09-19-2008
Filliam H. Muffman wrote:
[quote=Lux Interior]
I only watched about half, before I ran off to eat cheese, drink wine & have sex (there are quotas here), but did he say there were no exceptions?
Are you starting to have urges to surrender yet?
Don't be silly. That urge only comes after enjoying cheeses or wines imported from France.