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Another Strike Against The Patriot Act - Doc - 12-17-2008 The provision that made it unlawful to disclose whether you had received a "national security letter" has been overturned. This is a good thing. The letters are effectively unlimited administrative subpoenas, made without any need to show cause and without judicial supervision. Under a common reading of the law, a recipient wouldn't even be allowed to consult an attorney to see what his rights were. The FBI, CIA, DHS and the military have allegedly been abusing the power of national security letters, sending out thousands or even tens of thousands of them to as shortcuts to avoid performing their own investigations, for purposes of harassment and to avoid judicial oversight of illegal investigations. The FBI's own audits have suggested that at least 1000 national security letters were sent out inappropriately. Some reports have suggested that the FBI alone has underreported such events by a factor of 10 and that the number of national security letters issued is actuallymany many times greater than the number that shows up in official reports. Now that the gag orders are no longer enforceable without a judge signing off on them those abuses can be investigated effectively. http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Court_sides_with_ACLU_strikes_down_1216.html A federal appeals court ruling late Monday is the cause célèbre of the American Civil Liberties Union, as another provision of the Bush administration's Patriot Act falls to the judicial system. Re: Another Strike Against The Patriot Act - mattkime - 12-17-2008 yay! Re: Another Strike Against The Patriot Act - Mac1337 - 12-17-2008 I am gonna break this news to my wife when she gets home. She was getting a little worried. Re: Another Strike Against The Patriot Act - Gutenberg - 12-17-2008 You are not concerned that one branch of the government is determined to take away your right to associate with whom you please, your right to counsel at a government proceeding that could take away your freedom, and your family's right to eventually find out whatever happened to you? That does not concern you? Re: Another Strike Against The Patriot Act - JoeH - 12-17-2008 Of course not, Dakota is absolutely certain he has done nothing that would ever cause the government to come for him. Of course he also appears to be certain they will never mistakenly go after him either. As for his neighbors and family, up until now if they were the recipient of one of these notices, he would have no way of knowing. Re: Another Strike Against The Patriot Act - DaviDC. - 12-17-2008 This news has probably caused the founding fathers to slow down a little as they spin in their graves over what Bush & his boys have done to the constitution. Re: Another Strike Against The Patriot Act - mikeylikesit - 12-17-2008 Dakota has a clear conscience and is sure they will come take the women and children before they ever get to him. Re: Another Strike Against The Patriot Act - Mac1337 - 12-17-2008 To all concerned: please keep us posted of any provisions of the Patriot Act that the Obama administration overturns. He can start with reversing himself on the eavesdropping provision. Also, if you hear anything about Gitmo closing I'd like to know about. Re: Another Strike Against The Patriot Act - Gutenberg - 12-17-2008 I would like to see the whole Patriot Act go. It should be one of the first things the new Congress takes up. Re: Another Strike Against The Patriot Act - mikeylikesit - 12-17-2008 They won't. |