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any reason to go for a new unibody mbp over a refurb last gen model? - mattkime - 12-28-2008
any reason to go for a new unibody mbp over a refurb last gen model?
i can't find any reason unless you need the latest apple styling.
Re: any reason to go for a new unibody mbp over a refurb last gen model? - volcs0 - 12-28-2008
I was trying to justify upgrading to my boss, and I couldn't come up with a good enough list.
Re: any reason to go for a new unibody mbp over a refurb last gen model? - Black Landlord - 12-28-2008
Apple will never admit this publicly (nor most plastic macbook owners) but the redesign was not fueled by cosmetic concerns-- the plastic macbook housing is just not able to provide adequate protection to the internals, and is actually the main reason for the preponderance of hard drive failures. Should you choose to discount this advice-- I wish you luck, and I promise never to say "I told you so."
[edit-- just realized this is about mbp and not macbook-- never mind :-)]
Re: any reason to go for a new unibody mbp over a refurb last gen model? - john dough - 12-28-2008
The one main reason I bought the unibody MBP is that I can upgrade the HD fairly painlessly, also without voiding the warranty. I put in a 500GB drive and can carry around copies of all of my documents, client backups (when traveling), plenty of music and still have space left over.
I know you can swap out a prior MBP HD, but my change took 2 minutes and was easy.
Re: any reason to go for a new unibody mbp over a refurb last gen model? - BigGuynRusty - 12-28-2008
Black Landlord wrote:Apple never said it was purely cosmetic, they have said stronger/lighter/thinner in all their announcement media.
Apple will never admit this publicly (nor most plastic macbook owners) but the redesign was not fueled by cosmetic concerns-- the plastic macbook housing is just not able to provide adequate protection to the internals, and is actually the main reason for the preponderance of hard drive failures. Should you choose to discount this advice-- I wish you luck, and I promise never to say "I told you so."
The "Plastic" iBooks are far stronger, and better "Ruggedized" than the rest of the Apple line, they have a magnesium inner frame encased in a PolyCarbonate shell.
They are also heavier and thicker, two things folks don't want in laptops.
Can you please give a citation/link for the " preponderance of hard drive failures"?
I haven't seen a higher HDD failure rate in the Mac Laptops I service over the PC Laptops.
Laptops versus Desktop, yes there is a higher rate of failure, it is the nature of the beast.
Heat/Cold cycling, being tossed around constantly really doesn't help things much.
BGnR
Re: any reason to go for a new unibody mbp over a refurb last gen model? - Black Landlord - 12-28-2008
BigGuynRusty wrote:Apple never said it was purely cosmetic, they have said stronger/lighter/thinner in all their announcement media.
[quote=Black Landlord]
Apple will never admit this publicly (nor most plastic macbook owners) but the redesign was not fueled by cosmetic concerns-- the plastic macbook housing is just not able to provide adequate protection to the internals, and is actually the main reason for the preponderance of hard drive failures. Should you choose to discount this advice-- I wish you luck, and I promise never to say "I told you so."
The "Plastic" iBooks are far stronger, and better "Ruggedized" than the rest of the Apple line, they have a magnesium inner frame encased in a PolyCarbonate shell.
They are also heavier and thicker, two things folks don't want in laptops.
Can you please give a citation/link for the " preponderance of hard drive failures"?
I haven't seen a higher HDD failure rate in the Mac Laptops I service over the PC Laptops.
Laptops versus Desktop, yes there is a higher rate of failure, it is the nature of the beast.
Heat/Cold cycling, being tossed around constantly really doesn't help things much.
BGnR
Sorry, BgR, Apple was supposed to release their announcement detailing the preponderance of hard drive failures last month I think but it must have been delayed somehow . . .
I'm typing on a plastic macbook now. I don't like the feel-- my iBook was stiffer and lighter. I hate the way the lid creaks in about 12 places when you adjust it a few degrees. My hands are of average strength but I can deform the plastic enough to crush the hard drive with one hand, barely trying. I'm sorry I'm not one of those people who will defend a product to the death to rationalize the money I spent on it.
(sorry I ruined your thread mattkime!)
Re: any reason to go for a new unibody mbp over a refurb last gen model? - microchip - 12-28-2008
Dropped by the Apple store yesterday to do some drooling.
The construction and build quality is just amazing with the unibody ones in my opinion. They feel *that* much better.
Re: any reason to go for a new unibody mbp over a refurb last gen model? - BigGuynRusty - 12-28-2008
Black Landlord wrote: Sorry, BgR, Apple was supposed to release their announcement detailing the preponderance of hard drive failures last month I think but it must have been delayed somehow . . .This is how rumors get started.
The HDD Issue has nothing to do with Apple or its' laptops.
It is a Seagate HDD Issue.
Apple has already sent out bulletins to the Repair Depots, and all the Field Technicians.
Seagate is extending the warranty to the original purchaser (Apple) and Apple is replacing the failed HDD's.
BGnR
Re: any reason to go for a new unibody mbp over a refurb last gen model? - mrlynn - 12-28-2008
mattkime wrote:
any reason to go for a new unibody mbp over a refurb last gen model?
i can't find any reason unless you need the latest apple styling.
Nobody ever answered this OQ (original question).
/Mr Lynn
Re: any reason to go for a new unibody mbp over a refurb last gen model? - Black Landlord - 12-28-2008
BigGuynRusty wrote:This is how rumors get started.
[quote=Black Landlord]Sorry, BgR, Apple was supposed to release their announcement detailing the preponderance of hard drive failures last month I think but it must have been delayed somehow . . .
The HDD Issue has nothing to do with Apple or its' laptops.
It is a Seagate HDD Issue.
Apple has already sent out bulletins to the Repair Depots, and all the Field Technicians.
Seagate is extending the warranty to the original purchaser (Apple) and Apple is replacing the failed HDD's.
BGnR
Thanks! I'd be interested in any citations or links you have detailing the prevalence of the Seagate hard drive failures, and which models used them. Also, what are they replacing them with, and how do those hold up to being squeezed while the heads are moving?
Chipee basically summarized what I wanted to say- the older models feel cheap, the unibody does not.