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AP - Obama, Dems consider pared-down health care bill - Ted King - 01-21-2010
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100121/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul
Chastened by the Democratic Senate loss in Massachusetts, President Barack Obama and congressional allies signaled Wednesday they may try to scale back his sweeping health care overhaul in an effort to at least keep parts of it alive.
Of course, I could be wrong, but if the House doesn't pass the Senate bill as is and send it to the President then I really, really doubt that they would ever be able to go through the whole process again and get a "trimmed down" bill passed. If I'm right then the thing to look for over the next couple of weeks is whether or not the House will pass the Senate bill. If they don't, then it seems most likely to me that health reform is dead and will be dead for a long time. No doubt there are several people here who think that would be a good thing. But I've been reading where there seems to be a notion held by many people here that the end of this bill will be a great opportunity for Democrats to work with Republicans to get a "better" bill passed. You can pretty much kiss that idea goodbye; it almost surely will not happen.
Re: AP - Obama, Dems consider pared-down health care bill - $tevie - 01-21-2010
This is what drives me nuts. Why are the Democrats "chastened"? Why are they not "invigorated" or "revitalized" or even "angry"? But nooooo, they are "chastened". Next thing you know they will be "forlorn". It's become sickening.
Re: AP - Obama, Dems consider pared-down health care bill - Greg - 01-21-2010
Beleaguered!!
Re: AP - Obama, Dems consider pared-down health care bill - Gutenberg - 01-21-2010
They are a bunch of sissies. Take the damned healthcare bill, add the public option back in, and jam it down the GOP's throats.
Re: AP - Obama, Dems consider pared-down health care bill - vision63 - 01-21-2010
Our throats are still wrecked from BushCo jammin' bills down ours.
Re: AP - Obama, Dems consider pared-down health care bill - $tevie - 01-21-2010
Gutenberg wrote:
They are a bunch of sissies. Take the damned healthcare bill, add the public option back in, and jam it down the GOP's throats.
Re: AP - Obama, Dems consider pared-down health care bill - Mac1337 - 01-21-2010
Gutenberg wrote:
They are a bunch of sissies. Take the damned healthcare bill, add the public option back in, and jam it down the GOP's throats.
They can't. If they could it would have been done by now. No Republicans needed. Heck, it was supposed to have been done by August recess. Wait. It is not August yet.
Re: AP - Obama, Dems consider pared-down health care bill - J Marston - 01-21-2010
Dems have handled this badly from the start. Two things in particular bother me:
1. They called the problem "health care reform," but those Americans with access to affordable health care mostly like it. They should have talked about "health insurance reform," because almost no one likes their insurance company.
2. Obama in particular never made the case that some form of national health insurance adds to personal freedom. Right now, health benefits freeze people in their jobs because they're afraid of losing their benefits; a national plan eliminates this, and it eliminates a significant source of anxiety for aging Americans. (My wife, a cancer survivor, was told flatly that she could not be insured if she opened her own business.)
Re: AP - Obama, Dems consider pared-down health care bill - JoeH - 01-21-2010
J Marston wrote:
Dems have handled this badly from the start. Two things in particular bother me:
1. They called the problem "health care reform," but those Americans with access to affordable health care mostly like it. They should have talked about "health insurance reform," because almost no one likes their insurance company.
2. Obama in particular never made the case that some form of national health insurance adds to personal freedom. Right now, health benefits freeze people in their jobs because they're afraid of losing their benefits; a national plan eliminates this, and it eliminates a significant source of anxiety for aging Americans. (My wife, a cancer survivor, was told flatly that she could not be insured if she opened her own business.)
I think you are right on both accounts. We have a very good health care system, just the system for access to and paying for it are out of whack compared to other countries. As a person just tied to my job for the next 10 years until retirement due to acquiring one of those pre-existing conditions, it is a big issue.
Re: AP - Obama, Dems consider pared-down health care bill - davester - 01-21-2010
This whole thing makes me want to scream! J Marston makes some very good points. This has been very badly sold to the public which is why the republicans (who are masters of propaganda wielded against their followers) have reduced the proposals to crap and now will probably crush them. The case for health insurance reform and the main changes that are needed should be intuitively obvious to the most casual observer (and are for those of us who have lived in countries with universal care). Part of the reason that this was such a hard sell is that the moneyed vested interests pulled out all the stops in the propaganda war (fer crissakes, huge numbers of people believed that moron Palin's death panel absurdity), but since their position is so untenable it should rightly have been crushed. Why didn't that happen?