The "You Life" customized AR-15 rifle.

[Mac1337]

You don't have to. A lot of people don't get football either.

[Lux Interior]

Okay, so Wilson shouted out "You lie!" during Obama's speech when Obama said that the health care bill would not give illegal aliens health care insurance.

It does not give them insurance.

Therefore the "You lie!" must be referring to Wilson.

[Grace62]

Lux Interior wrote:
Okay, so Wilson shouted out "You lie!" during Obama's speech when Obama said that the health care bill would not give illegal aliens health care insurance.

It does not give them insurance.

Therefore the "You lie!" must be referring to Wilson.

That works.

[Mac1337]

Lux Interior wrote:
Okay, so Wilson shouted out "You lie!" during Obama's speech when Obama said that the health care bill would not give illegal aliens health care insurance.

It does not give them insurance.

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Actually it does because nobody is going to ask the patients their immigration status, so you never know. How is that for a lawyerly lie?

[CaBob]

So if somebody without insurance is treated without having insurance, then this is the same as having insurance? I'm not sure I get it. I thought insurance was something that the receptionist checks at the doctor's office when you have a regular appointment. I think there is at least one other difference, namely that if you visit an emergency room without having insurance and give your real name, they will bill you at a rate that is maybe 3 or 4 times higher than the insurance company would allow, and then the billing office will come after you until they get your bank account and your house. In other words, it's different here than in France, Germany, England, Japan, Taiwan, or most any other western industrialized country.

Perhaps the intent was to use the word insurance in a new and poetical way.

[Grace62]

I think lux meant federal health insurance benefits provided under health care reform.

Those not residing legally in the US are not eligible for those.

Interestingly, nearly half of all illegals working in the US have private insurance through their employer. This means the employer has not verified their status, has received false documentation, or knows they aren't legal and doesn't care. So they are paying into the benefit pool same as the rest of us yet are less likely to seek medical treatment over fear of getting caught or lack of information.

My personal preference is to cover everyone here but make sure employers are verifying status and turning people in if necessary. It's a public health threat to have people going around without adequate care, not to mention, well, it's just kind of cruel.

[Mac1337]

Grace62 wrote:


Those not residing legally in the US are not eligible for those.

Didn't I just respond to this? OK, one more time. No hospital is going to inquire about someone's immigration status before giving them care and if they do you'd be the first one to send the ACLU goons after them. So saying that health benefits are limited to legal residents is just a talking point designed to fool people. It didn't work, by the way.

[Dennis S]

OK. Great. Let's assume Dakota is right. Then that makes it OK to put "you lie" on the bullets?

[$tevie]

Going to the hospital and having a broken leg set is not a "health benefit". Having an insurance company which provides the hospital with the promise that there will be compensation for setting that broken leg is the "health benefit".

Being treated in an emergency room, while it may benefit one's health, is not a "health benefit". Having a doctor demand several hundred dollars upfront for the follow-up visit isn't exactly a "health benefit" either.

[Black]

Dakota wrote:
[quote=Grace62]


Those not residing legally in the US are not eligible for those.

Didn't I just respond to this? OK, one more time. No hospital is going to inquire about someone's immigration status before giving them care and if they do you'd be the first one to send the ACLU goons after them. So saying that health benefits are limited to legal residents is just a talking point designed to fool people. It didn't work, by the way. This may be true if we were talking about "socialized health care" i.e. the hospital is paid for services in a lump sum by the government, but the system we're getting requires people to be enrolled in some sort of quasi-HMO. Currently, depending on state/county (I'm most familiar with Illinois, YMMV) a person with no insurance would have help from the facility to apply for temporary coverage through the state, which would pay for needed services (well, some tiny percentage anyways, the rest gets eaten by the facility in return for tax-exempt status). Under the new 'plan' I don't know what will happen with the current 'coverage' but it seems more likely to me it will get harder for those here illegally and not enrolled in a plan to receive services.