10-25-2011, 08:00 PM
Black Tea wrote:
The Catholic principle of subsidiarity is still the model to follow, .
According to who? You??
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Holy Financial Reform, Pope-Man !
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 According to who? You??
10-25-2011, 08:05 PM
Tea.. thank you. That's going to require some study. A very sweeping Encyclical Letter. I'll also agree that the media has it wrong, and neglects to understand the pastoral nature of both documents. Peace. Charity. Basic principles of humanity, and therefore The Church.
10-25-2011, 08:11 PM
It's classic right wing-ishness to conflate the Catholic social teachings around subsidiarity and distributism into excuses for dismantling government. That's not at all what they are when you look at the church's thinking.
They are meant to be a third way BETWEEN the extremes of communism and laissez-faire capitalism, acknowledging both as failures, and acknowledging that neither produces a fair distribution of resources nor a just society in general.
10-25-2011, 08:13 PM
Case in point....what's the theoretical model guiding the Constitution of the EU?
Subsidiarity.
10-25-2011, 08:32 PM
Here's a conservative, Republican Catholic suggesting that the Tea Party adopt "subsidiarity" as part of its manifesto....You know what? If they did that, and showed genuine understanding of what that term means, including the social justice factors involved (this particular writer demonstrates no such understanding), well I might just be able to take them seriously.
http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=38763
10-25-2011, 09:15 PM
Grace62 wrote: According to who? You?? Yes, I think so Grace. Who knows better what the people of some small town in Indiana need? Some faceless bureaucrat in Washington who doesn't know one single person there or the local government/politicians in that small town in Indiana, the people who live there and talk and eat and chat with the people there? I hope you can see that point Grace, you care about people greatly, just like I do.
10-25-2011, 09:24 PM
Grace62 wrote: Grace, if you actually sit down and read Caritas in Veritate, you might find all kinds of social justice things you like. Some Catholic blogger is not speaking for the Church.
10-25-2011, 09:38 PM
Black Tea wrote: Grace, if you actually sit down and read Caritas in Veritate, you might find all kinds of social justice things you like. Some Catholic blogger is not speaking for the Church. I'm not disagreeing with what the church officially says on the issue. I'm disagreeing with the way right wingers in the US have tried to co-opt the issue into an excuse for dismantling government. When you hear, for example, Michele Bachmann call for the dismantling of the EPA, some might say "that's a local issue, business will police itself and do the right thing." Well you know what, it's not a local matter and business will frequently not do the right thing if it cuts into the bottom line. We all breath the air and drink the water and live on this planet - there is a need for common good there that requires a big picture approach. Some parts of our country are very poor and need help from the rest of us, others are wealthier and can afford to help. That requires the big picture. Subsidiarity at its core acknowledges all of this - the aim is the common good. That does work on the local level much of the time, but not always. We need moderation so that things can be just, in balance if you will, and that is, to me, what the church is calling for.
10-26-2011, 01:30 AM
Grace62 wrote: Having not read the proclamation, I feel I can say that this has been the policy of the Holy See in modern times. |
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