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Out of the past.......if the shoe fits......
#11
I think you guys may be off on the source. I'm pretty sure I recognize most of this from an e-mail I received sometime in the last week (which I unfortunately deleted) that had the subject line "Longer Stronger Penis."

samintx wrote:
Does this touch Dodd-Frank and Obamacare. seems to fit the bill.



Tocqville - Defining democratic despotism (Liberalism)
Democracy in America ^ | 1831 | Alexis Tocqvile
Posted on June 16, 2003 8:52:49 AM CDT by austinite

Above this race of men stands an immense and tutelary power, which takes upon itself alone to secure their gratifications and to watch over their fate. That power is absolute, minute, regular, provident, and mild. It would be like the authority of a parent if, like that authority, its object was to prepare men for manhood; but it seeks, on the contrary, to keep them in perpetual childhood: it is well content that the people should rejoice, provided they think of nothing but rejoicing. For their happiness such a government willingly labors, but it chooses to be the sole agent and the only arbiter of that happiness; it provides for their security, foresees and supplies their necessities, facilitates their pleasures, manages their principal concerns, directs their industry, regulates the descent of property, and subdivides their inheritances: what remains, but to spare them all the care of thinking and all the trouble of living?

Thus it every day renders the exercise of the free agency of man less useful and less frequent; it circumscribes the will within a narrower range and gradually robs a man of all the uses of himself. The principle of equality has prepared men for these things;it has predisposed men to endure them and often to look on them as benefits.

After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.
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#12
swampy wrote:
Are you just discovering Tocqueville?

I don't believe I've ever encountered a more classless person (and I' don't mean Tocqueville.)
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#13
I wrote an earlier post where what I said was contingent on what Alexis de Tocqueville's position was with respect to democratically elected government (since it wasn't clear from that excerpt what form of government he was talking about). Right after posting, I decided to track down the whole thing and found it here:

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~Hyper/DETOC/ch4_06.htm

After reading just the first couple of paragraphs, it was clear he was specifically talking about the representative democratic, republican form of governments so I came back and deleted my post since its substance was contingent on that not being the case.

Having finished reading the whole thing, I was at first tempted to launch into a complex philosophical analysis which is the only way to do anything like justice when analyzing an essay with such finely constructed thought. But even though it seems to some people like I am writing long free-associations on everything, there are many times when I don't do that because it is a lot of work and I don't think enough people would be interested in that type of in-depth philosophical analysis (although I admit that sometimes I do those anyway just because the topic really interests me - please feel free to skip any and all of them if they are not to your taste).

So I will summarize this way - what de Tocqueville was saying is quite general. It's so general that it essentially can serve as a Rorschach test for ones attitudes toward government. If you were a fairly radical libertarian, you would see the creation of just about any large public utility or infrastructure as evidence of the "truth" of what de Tocqueville said in that essay. If you think that government involvement often expands opportunities for people rather than limits them, you would look at modern Democrat's priorities and say that they don't fit what de Tocqueville was warning about.
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