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Don't mess with Miss America
#31
[quote Paul F.]It's interesting to me how many people simply cede their responsibility for the safety and integrity of their own property to "someone else"...
Had she gotten the plate number, she would have been protecting herself without having to discharge her weapon.

Sometimes, an "intruder" is not really an intruder. There is the infamous case in Arizona of a foreign exchange student from Japan who was trying to find a Halloween party. Not knowing any better, he stopped at a house in the neighborhood to ask for directions; the owner of the house was so frightened that he killed the kid.

Curtis Parrish of Ohio was charged with misdemeanor trespassing, Deputy Dan Gilliam said. The man's hometown wasn't immediately available. Three other people were questioned but were not arrested.

Although their situation may change (in terms of arrest), should the three individuals who were not arrested be allowed to sue for illegal detention?

=wr=

P.S. Besides Paul, don't you have Max for protection? Wink
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#32
I believe that if there is due cause, law enforcement can hold a person for 72 hours before they have to press charges or release them. If you have a big dollar attorney who is a loudmouth and you have lots of money, they will cut you loose sooner. So how would the "detention" be illegal if they were let go in a timely fashion after their story checks out, or if there isn't enough evidence?
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#33
I am not aware of a general right to use force to defend property. A few states may allow it, but those would be exceptions. From the limited bit of the story we get here, there is no indication that they presented any risk of harm to her.

So it is likely that her use of force violated the law. The local prosecutor has discretion about bringing charges and likely made the decision not to charge her under these circumstances. If she had missed, and say killed a child who happened to be sitting the backseat, that decision might have been different.
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#34
[quote wave rider]Although their situation may change (in terms of arrest), should the three individuals who were not arrested be allowed to sue for illegal detention?
Short answer is NO. Well, you can always sue, but it will immediately get thrown out of court. A police officer like any other citizen can stop and ask you questions. And just like any other situation, you don't have to answer anything. If the officer has "reasonable and articulable suspicion" to stop you for "investigative detention" or "probable cause" to arrest you then you have to comply physically or you will be breaking the law.

In the case of investigative detention:

Under the United States Constitution and Article First, ยงยง 7 and 9 of the Connecticut Constitution, a police officer may in appropriate circumstances and in an appropriate manner detain an individual for investigative purposes if the officer believes, based on a reasonable and articulable suspicion that the individual is engaged in criminal activity, even if there is no probable cause to make an arrest (State v. Lipscomb, 258 Conn. 68, 75, (2001); Terry v. Ohio, 88 S. Ct. 1868 (1968)).

The Terry court recognized one such exception when it held that where a police officer observes unusual conduct which leads him reasonably to conclude in light of his experience that criminal activity may be afoot the officer may briefly stop the suspicious person and make reasonable inquiries aimed at confirming or dispelling his suspicions.

But a police officer is not entitled to detain or search every person whom he sees on the street or of whom he makes inquiries. Before he does so, he must have constitutionally adequate, reasonable grounds for doing so. For example, in the case of the self-protective search for weapons, he must be able to point to particular facts from which he reasonably inferred that the individual was armed and dangerous (Sibron v. New York, 392 U. S. 40, 64 (1968)
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2007/rpt/2007-R-0036.htm

Among other things, the Terry decision determined that a "stop and pat" was constitutional.

If you are unsure of your status, the best thing to do is ask if you are free to go. If the officer says no then you must stay, but you still don't have to open your mouth. Before arrest, if you feel compelled to respond to a question but don't want to divulge anything, then a good thing to say is "I can't answer that question." and leave it at that. There are many reasons that you might not be able to answer an officer's question, but there is no need to specify your exact reason. By providing that answer, you have not lied nor admitted guilt.

Ever wonder why a police officer asks you if you know how fast you were going when you are stopped for speeding? Say no- and you are admitting that you weren't paying attention. Saying "Yes, I was going the speed limit" can be a lie. Best to just say that you always drive at a safe and legal speed and leave it at that.

And as most people know, once arrested and detained you may exercise your Miranda rights and choose not to answer any questions without legal counsel. And in most cases, this is the most intelligent thing to do. Look to the Duke rape case if you want to understand how important it is to protect yourself whether you have committed a crime or not.

Our resident law enforcement officer might be along shortly to correct or clarify.

I am not a lawyer so this shouldn't be construed as legal advice.
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#35
Of course, I wasn't clear enough.

Should the three that were not charged be able to sue Miss America for illegal detention?

Often, when one is held against one's will by a civilian, it is called kidnapping...

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