Smoking in Chicago

[pinion]

For all the people that say banning smoking in bars has raised the profits of the bar can you please show me some proof. I've seen this flying around but I want to see the fact behind it. Bangman, you were the last to bring it up so I ask you were the proof is. I'm not saying you are full of it, I just want to see the facts.

[beagledave]

pinion Wrote:
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> For all the people that say banning smoking in
> bars has raised the profits of the bar can you
> please show me some proof.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3015995.stm

"A TUC spokesman, Tom Mellish, told BBC Radio 5 Live that studies from eight countries showed places which became smoke-free zones attracted extra customers.

He said: "They all came back with positive results.

"Bars, restaurants and clubs increased their profits and increased their attendances because they're going out to a different market."
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http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2003_...ffect.html

"In El Paso, Texas, which has one of the toughest bans in the nation, officials report the effects were stunningly positive for businesses that fought the ban hardest: an 18 percent increase in bar liquor sales in the first nine months after the ban compared with the same nine months a year earlier. Restaurants showed a smaller increase, about 4 percent.

A 1998 study by the California State Board of Equalization found annual revenue increases of 7 percent in small restaurants and bars in the two years after smoking bans went into effect -- greater growth than in previous years. In Massachusetts, the Department of Public Health gathered sales-tax data and found that restaurant receipts increased by 5 percent to 9 percent in towns that had enacted various smoking bans between 1992 and 1995. "
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Info about the Chicago law
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local...i-news-hed

[ho'ard]

Was this supposed to make a point?
There are many of us who would wish driving to be illegal, and the developements vis-a-vis smoking give us hope.


JJ Wrote:
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> For those who criticize smoking and smokers.
>
> Substitute the term driving with the term smoking
> in your arguments against smoking (especially in
> "public places"). Do you see where I am going
> with this?
>
> Every second you sit in your car with the air
> conditioning running while you wait for someone to
> run into the store or while you wait in line at
> the gas station you put more pollutants in the air
> than a cigarette.
>
> Now, is it as easy condemn smokers?
>
> Is it so easy to complain about their
> "pollution"?
>
> Did you drive to the public beach or public park?
> Did you add to the earth's pollution with your
> vehicle's exhaust?
>
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> _______
> I'm just a simple "caveman". I don't understand
> your sophisticated ways. fka
> JJ_TKOB.
>
>

[JJ]

I think I made my point quite clearly.

[Racer X]

beagledave Wrote:
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> pinion Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > For all the people that say banning smoking
> in
> > bars has raised the profits of the bar can
> you
> > please show me some proof.
>
>
>
>
> "A TUC spokesman, Tom Mellish, told BBC Radio 5
> Live that studies from eight countries showed
> places which became smoke-free zones attracted
> extra customers.
>
> He said: "They all came back with positive
> results.
>
> "Bars, restaurants and clubs increased their
> profits and increased their attendances because
> they're going out to a different market."
> -------------------------------
>
>
>
> "In El Paso, Texas, which has one of the toughest
> bans in the nation, officials report the effects
> were stunningly positive for businesses that
> fought the ban hardest: an 18 percent increase in
> bar liquor sales in the first nine months after
> the ban compared with the same nine months a year
> earlier. Restaurants showed a smaller increase,
> about 4 percent.
>
> A 1998 study by the California State Board of
> Equalization found annual revenue increases of 7
> percent in small restaurants and bars in the two
> years after smoking bans went into effect --
> greater growth than in previous years. In
> Massachusetts, the Department of Public Health
> gathered sales-tax data and found that restaurant
> receipts increased by 5 percent to 9 percent in
> towns that had enacted various smoking bans
> between 1992 and 1995. "
> ---------------------
> Info about the Chicago law
>
>


It happened in the bar I go to all the time. Drink sales are up about 25%, and food sales are up over 35%. People aren't afraid to stop in on the way home from work in nice clothes to grab a beer and dinner.

The down side is my biker jacket is losing it's "character"

[pinion]

I see there are a few googleable stories about having better business after the ban. RacerX I appreciate your contribution most since it is a real life story from someone I actually know (sorta). I can google my question too. Check it out.
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/banlinks.html



h':
I think JJ's point was pretty clear. What I'm confused about is do you agree with him as you stated 'some of us want a ban on driving' or are you slamming him? If you want a ban on driving that puts out harmful toxins then why attack him for saying it?

[Speedy]

I had a cigarette survey company call yesterday. They asked if we had anyone 18 to 55 who smoked in our home. I said, "No, but my 15 year old son does," (not true but just trying to be helpful ;-) The interviewer said, "Thank you," and hung up.

I guess they aren't interested in getting any data on the millions of kids who start smoking every year nor about the many people over 55 who are dying from smoking related causes.