There is something about those who died in the bridge collapse

[kj]

Lux Interior wrote:
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The attitude I see from Democrats is let people in illegally because we need people to do the work we don't want to do. These are jobs we don't want to do, and I don't see letting them do them as some sort of social justice or something. I'm not sure letting them do these jobs is all that generous of us, legal or not.

I don't agree with that.

It used to be that these workers could come and go more or less freely. So they would come here to work in the season, then go home.

Then someone had the brilliant idea to lock down the border and they had to stay.

What democrats want is reform to allow the workers to work legally. Then they would have protections and not be exploited. Republicans don't want that (the protections, that is. They would love to continue to exploit them).
No one will ever do that because we have to exploit them to maintain our lifestyle. Or at least some people do.

[kj]

Speedy wrote:
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You can't just blame Republicans for this one. The attitude I see from Democrats is let people in illegally because we need people to do the work we don't want to do. These are jobs we don't want to do, and I don't see letting them do them as some sort of social justice or something. I'm not sure letting them do these jobs is all that generous of us, legal or not.

The first generation will do what they have to, the second generation will do what they want, the sky’s the limit. Pretty much like immigrants from the past - not counting those who were enslaved and who still would be if the South had won the Civil War.
Is there a second generation for these guys? Hopefully they got to it on the procreation. I see some 2nd gen doing well, but I know there are huge numbers who do not. My family was largely farmers, but they didn't do great, and what immigrants do is a lot worse. Many of these jobs wear them out physically by 40 or 50, and then what do they do? And these jobs have the highest accidental injury/death rate of any jobs here. I've seen this personally. It might be better than where they came from (or at least they have a small chance of success), but it's not good. I bet the parents in Gaza would jump at an offer to clean out the reactors at Chernobyl, but would you feel good about giving them that "opportunity"?

You're not doing anyone favors by allowing illegal immigration. Definitely not the moral high road, actually even if they have a visa.

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I think you’re letting perfect be the enemy of good.

These folks must have made that calculation. And I don’t think it’s valid or true to say “No one will ever [help them work here] because we have to exploit them.” One political party keeps trying.

[Speedy]

kj wrote:
[quote=Speedy]
[quote=kj]
You can't just blame Republicans for this one. The attitude I see from Democrats is let people in illegally because we need people to do the work we don't want to do. These are jobs we don't want to do, and I don't see letting them do them as some sort of social justice or something. I'm not sure letting them do these jobs is all that generous of us, legal or not.

The first generation will do what they have to, the second generation will do what they want, the sky’s the limit. Pretty much like immigrants from the past - not counting those who were enslaved and who still would be if the South had won the Civil War.
Is there a second generation for these guys? Hopefully they got to it on the procreation. I see some 2nd gen doing well, but I know there are huge numbers who do not. My family was largely farmers, but they didn't do great, and what immigrants do is a lot worse. Many of these jobs wear them out physically by 40 or 50, and then what do they do? And these jobs have the highest accidental injury/death rate of any jobs here. I've seen this personally. It might be better than where they came from (or at least they have a small chance of success), but it's not good. I bet the parents in Gaza would jump at an offer to clean out the reactors at Chernobyl, but would you feel good about giving them that "opportunity"?

You're not doing anyone favors by allowing illegal immigration. Definitely not the moral high road, actually even if they have a visa.
You’re doing us a favor by having immigration, legal or not, because that is what will keep our economy from stagnating like Japan’s and, soon, China’s.

I’m visiting family in the Rio Grande Valley. Lots and lots of cross border traffic. The local hate radio station toes the Republican line about “illegals” even though the local economy would collapse without all the immigrants.

[Lux Interior]

kj wrote:

No one will ever do that because we have to exploit them to maintain our lifestyle. Or at least some people do.

Similar to exploiting American low-wage workers by refusing to raise the minimum wage.

Another republican plank.