Scientists fear unusual weather behind massive seabird die-off

[Refurbvirgin]

As canaries died in mines to warn humans of danger....
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/2575...rds30.html

[MacManMaz]

Ya know, I get tired of researchers yelling the sky is falling. This article is filled with the term "normal". They speak of the weather as if they have been around since the dawn of creation keeping track of everything. I don't think there is any way they can know what "normal" conditions for our planet are. The best that they can do is guess at what the "normal" range was during a few thousand years out of many many millennia.

The presumption that anything that man does on this planet could somehow overcome the forces of the universe and change the grand plan for our existence is taken as fact by some in this country, but not me. The only thing that I can take as fact in that whole article is that the weather is changing. Wow, what a revelation, no kidding!

I don't put much faith in people that depend on research grants generated by fear to make a living.

[Refurbvirgin]

Somewhere I read that man has become the greatest cause, directly or indirectly, of erosion on the planet. This can be things as simple as plowing, which exposes the soil to wind and water, e.g. conversion of the Amazon rainforest to soybean farms.

[MacManMaz]

And there is more forested land in the US today than there was when Columbus Landed here.

[Refurbvirgin]

MacManMaz Wrote:
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> And there is more forested land in the US today
> than there was when Columbus Landed here.

Got a link to the facts you base that statement upon? A tree farm is not a forest. Estimates of the remaining old growth forest range from 2-4%. Monoculture tree farms are more susceptible to the spread of disease and the herbicides used to maintain them have serious effects on wildlife and adjacent human populations, being implicated in stillbirths and birth defects.

[Don Kiyoti]

MacManMaz Wrote:
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> And there is more forested land in the US today
> than there was when Columbus Landed here.

And who tells you this? Rush Limbaugh? Let's see your facts and sources. According to U.S. Forest Service estimates: in 1492, approximately 1 billion acres of forest; in 1787, about 930 million; 1992, 737 million.

BTW, scientists can tell quite a bit about climatic conditions in millenia past by studying the massive amounts of indicators left behind by weather. I doubt you've looked into this, however.

And, pray tell, what exactly is "the grand plan for our existence?"

[Refurbvirgin]

Don Kiyoti Wrote:
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> And, pray tell, what exactly is "the grand plan
> for our existence?"
>
Armageddon is imminent so we might as well chop it down and use it up since it's going to be destroyed anyway?

[MacManMaz]

Don Kiyoti, you seem to want to pigeon-hole (pun intended) me into a stereotype related to Rush Limbaugh. You really seem to be very narrow minded and unforgiving of others opinions, chill out man. Rush seems to give you a rash. Why do you empower the man this way?

Sounds to me like these researchers really got your goat and have you scared and refurbvirgin is ready for armageddon.

Both of you have made my point for me - "scare tactics science" for political and monetary gain.

[Refurbvirgin]

MacManMaz Wrote:
- refurbvirgin is
> ready for armageddon.
>
No, that's not my sentiment about "cutting it all down before Armageddon." I've actually heard "conservative" Christians say that.