09-03-2008, 03:26 PM
[quote rgG][quote SteveO]
Just so you know, Obama IS in his prime and has been helping Americans in elected office for 10+ years now. Before that, he worked in public service helping inner city underprivileged poor. He chose to take a terribly underpaid position helping the poor instead of taking a Supreme Court Clerkship which would have been hugely lucrative and would have fast-tracked his career, did you know this?
Barack Obama is a constitutional scholar and edited the Harvard Law Review. Do you know how incredibly gifted this man is and what a gift he would be to this nation as president? Not since JFK has there been a candidate with this much promise for our nation. Have you been asleep the past four years? Go watch his speeches, read up on him, get to know the man and what he stands for...which is America and doing the right thing.
SteveO,
I watched the same CNN profile of Obama that you apparently watched, since the points you make are the same ones I saw in the piece. It was informative and I came away with a better idea of who he was. However, he has not served long enough on the national scene to suit me. Because I would like him to be more experienced does not make me a bad person. As I just said in my post above, I am leaning towards voting for him. However, people like you who act like anyone who questions him in any way is an idiot really turn me off. I don't drink anyone's Kool-Aid, not even Steve Jobs, the original "Oh Yeah", man. I have a right to make up my own mind and I am doing my research, I do not need people like you trying to make me feel like I am an idiot if I question his experience.
Actually, I didn't watch the CNN profile, didn't know there was one (I don't have cable). I didn't mean to insinuate you are an idiot, rgG, nor did I mean to make you uncomfortable. As I said in my post that appeared shortly after yours (I hadn't seen your post above when I posted that, btw), I don't agree with Obama on everything (and yes, his FISA vote and a few other things still anger the hell out of me) and no, I don't "drink the Obama Kool-Aid" (or the Steve Jobs for that matter) -- I could be upset with you for saying that, btw, but I'm choosing not to be.
My comments stem from the events of the past 8 years starting with the supreme court selection of our president in a crooked election and continuing on through all the wrongs this administration has done the nation. From 9/11 to Iraq to Katrina to the Plame incident to domestic wiretaps to torture to Swift Boats, Abramoff and beyond, these people (and I use the term loosely) have shown nothing but utter contempt for our nation, our constitution, our voting process, and our citizens and yet somehow the media has given them a giant pass.
When I get emotional about it with questions like "have you been asleep" it is a reflection of my anger at all that's transpired. McCain has come out and said he supports the Bush administration and their decisions. He has voted with them more than 90% of the time. He would continue their bad policies. He has made his bed and now must lay in it. So please don't take my comments personally.
What I want is for our country to be steered in a positive direction again where doing the right thing is not scoffed at or seen as "off the table." Where the VP doesn't spout family values and then tell a senator to "Go F*ck yourself" (what kind of "leader" says that, honestly?), and where the president is actually held accountable for taking the nation into a morass. As a nation, we have lost our dignity, our self-respect and our world respect and so it rings hollow when we attempt to bring influence where it is desperately needed as with the current situation in Russia / Georgia.
It IS hard to talk with those we disagree with, it IS hard to make politically unexpedient choices, and it should not be hard to say no to your friends when defense and military contracts come around by keeping the process on the up and up. This ship needs to be righted before it sinks.
Obama may not have age, but the guy has wisdom beyond his years. He is a measured fellow who WANTS people that disagree with him in his Cabinet advising him. He WANTS to hear all sides of an issue b/c he knows that he is human and not always right. And yeah, it bears repeating, Barack Obama was one of the only people who voted against the Iraq war which is siphoning our nation's future as we speak and will continue to do so for the next umpteen years thanks to the neocons and the media who didn't do their due diligence on the lead-up to the war.
Age does not equal wisdom. Look at Bush-Cheney, they are plenty aged but sorely lacking in wisdom. As is McCain from his 90% + voting record to his pick of Palin who I think we all agree is wholly unqualified.
Just so you know, Obama IS in his prime and has been helping Americans in elected office for 10+ years now. Before that, he worked in public service helping inner city underprivileged poor. He chose to take a terribly underpaid position helping the poor instead of taking a Supreme Court Clerkship which would have been hugely lucrative and would have fast-tracked his career, did you know this?
Barack Obama is a constitutional scholar and edited the Harvard Law Review. Do you know how incredibly gifted this man is and what a gift he would be to this nation as president? Not since JFK has there been a candidate with this much promise for our nation. Have you been asleep the past four years? Go watch his speeches, read up on him, get to know the man and what he stands for...which is America and doing the right thing.
SteveO,
I watched the same CNN profile of Obama that you apparently watched, since the points you make are the same ones I saw in the piece. It was informative and I came away with a better idea of who he was. However, he has not served long enough on the national scene to suit me. Because I would like him to be more experienced does not make me a bad person. As I just said in my post above, I am leaning towards voting for him. However, people like you who act like anyone who questions him in any way is an idiot really turn me off. I don't drink anyone's Kool-Aid, not even Steve Jobs, the original "Oh Yeah", man. I have a right to make up my own mind and I am doing my research, I do not need people like you trying to make me feel like I am an idiot if I question his experience.
Actually, I didn't watch the CNN profile, didn't know there was one (I don't have cable). I didn't mean to insinuate you are an idiot, rgG, nor did I mean to make you uncomfortable. As I said in my post that appeared shortly after yours (I hadn't seen your post above when I posted that, btw), I don't agree with Obama on everything (and yes, his FISA vote and a few other things still anger the hell out of me) and no, I don't "drink the Obama Kool-Aid" (or the Steve Jobs for that matter) -- I could be upset with you for saying that, btw, but I'm choosing not to be.
My comments stem from the events of the past 8 years starting with the supreme court selection of our president in a crooked election and continuing on through all the wrongs this administration has done the nation. From 9/11 to Iraq to Katrina to the Plame incident to domestic wiretaps to torture to Swift Boats, Abramoff and beyond, these people (and I use the term loosely) have shown nothing but utter contempt for our nation, our constitution, our voting process, and our citizens and yet somehow the media has given them a giant pass.
When I get emotional about it with questions like "have you been asleep" it is a reflection of my anger at all that's transpired. McCain has come out and said he supports the Bush administration and their decisions. He has voted with them more than 90% of the time. He would continue their bad policies. He has made his bed and now must lay in it. So please don't take my comments personally.
What I want is for our country to be steered in a positive direction again where doing the right thing is not scoffed at or seen as "off the table." Where the VP doesn't spout family values and then tell a senator to "Go F*ck yourself" (what kind of "leader" says that, honestly?), and where the president is actually held accountable for taking the nation into a morass. As a nation, we have lost our dignity, our self-respect and our world respect and so it rings hollow when we attempt to bring influence where it is desperately needed as with the current situation in Russia / Georgia.
It IS hard to talk with those we disagree with, it IS hard to make politically unexpedient choices, and it should not be hard to say no to your friends when defense and military contracts come around by keeping the process on the up and up. This ship needs to be righted before it sinks.
Obama may not have age, but the guy has wisdom beyond his years. He is a measured fellow who WANTS people that disagree with him in his Cabinet advising him. He WANTS to hear all sides of an issue b/c he knows that he is human and not always right. And yeah, it bears repeating, Barack Obama was one of the only people who voted against the Iraq war which is siphoning our nation's future as we speak and will continue to do so for the next umpteen years thanks to the neocons and the media who didn't do their due diligence on the lead-up to the war.
Age does not equal wisdom. Look at Bush-Cheney, they are plenty aged but sorely lacking in wisdom. As is McCain from his 90% + voting record to his pick of Palin who I think we all agree is wholly unqualified.