Just watched Loose Change and two things continue to stand out to me

[blusubaru]

1. no plane wreckage at Pentagon or Pennsylvania. No real proof that the holes/damage were caused by a commercial jet airliner. Lots of proof of plane crashes where SOMETHING could be identified as a serialized part from the plane, yet a hankey, a drivers license and a Marriott rewards card turned up?
2. The gentlemen they interviewed towards the end who told the story of the explosions in the building 300ft from the WTC's was mysteriously pronounced dead at a local hospital two days before the results of the investigation were made public. In the report, it's claimed that no witnesses could testify to the "explosions" experienced in that building.

I don't normally buy into hype, I usually take these with a grain of salt. There's a lot here that raises questions.

[Doc]

It's easy to make a fake controversy from fake "facts."

Loose Change:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_%28film%29

Pentagon Wreckage:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracies#The_Pentagon

Pennsylvania Wreckage:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracies#Flight_93


> I usually take these with a grain of salt.

That movie takes lies and innuendo and treats them as authoritative facts. Take it with a bucketful of lye.

[JoeH]

No idea about 2, but there are pictures from the Pentagon showing identifiable plane parts. They also recovered parts at the Flight 93 crash site. So I expect this is yet another bit put together by someone tossing out any evidence that did not fit his conspiracy theory.

Here is an article from Popular Mechanics with some of the usual claims of "suspicious facts" and the information debunking them: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technolo...tml?page=1. There are more such articles if you look.

[cbelt3]

Blu, all I can say is this
1- ick. Too many eyewitnesses disagree with these "filmakers"
2- Complex conspiracies are NEVER possible to "keep secret". People talk.
3- ick.

[Mike Sellers]

cbelt3 wrote: 2- Complex conspiracies are NEVER possible to "keep secret". People talk.

This very simple truth is always overlooked by conspiracy theorists. If 9/11 was an inside job, how were all the people recruited without a single one refusing and/or spilling their guts. Same goes for the Kennedy assassination.

[$tevie]

What about the people that saw the plane heading into the Pentagon? I know someone whose Uncle was there and there was a plane.

[Black]

What about this?

10:03 on a Tuesday morning
in the fall of an American dream
a man is doing what he knows is right
on flight 93

Loved his mom and he loved his dad
loved his home and he loved his man
but on that bloody Tuesday morning
he died and American

[chorus]
Now you cannot change this
You can't erase this
You can't pretend this is not the truth

Even though he could not marry
Or teach your children in our schools
Because who he wants to love
Is breaking your God's rules

He stood up on a Tuesday Morning
In the terror he was brave
And he made his choice and without a doubt
A hundred lives he must have saved

[chorus]

And the things you might take for granted
Your inalienable rights
Some might choose to deny him
Even though he gave his life

Can you live with yourself in the land of the free
And make him less of a hero than the other three
Well it might begin to change ya
In a field in Pennsylvania

[chorus]

Stand up America
Hear the bell now as it tolls
Wake up America
It's Tuesday Morning
Let's roll

[chorus]

[Black]

And what about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxavHgbaE-E

I think it's mighty nice.

[SDGuy]

Well, if Charlie Sheen is on board too, who am I to question the veracity of this?
Even Charlie Sheen agrees...

Although, I do wonder about the sanity of someone who would screw up being married to:

[Rolando]

SDGuy wrote:
Well, if Charlie Sheen is on board too, who am I to question the veracity of this?
Even Charlie Sheen agrees...

Although, I do wonder about the sanity of someone who would screw up being married to:

Not to defend Sheen, but looking at her and living with her are two different things....
Try sitting thru this
http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&safe=off&num=100&q=it's+complicated+youtube+denise+richards&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=E-RJS5v3JZPUMurdkZAJ&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBAQqwQwAA#