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Dakota wrote:
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Oh yeah? What is this then?
>>Her Republican opponent, Jesse Kelly, held this kind of strange political rally last June. No idea what motivated this shooter, but the rhetoric hasn't been pretty.<<
You held yourself back for all of 2 hours.
That situation must be painful to you as a Republican.
If it's not, you haven't got a heart.
I gave you your own words. It is here for all to see. You were the first one to politicize the tragedy in overt way. My voting record won't save you from the embarrassment.
That wasn't the first "political" comment. It might have been the first to make you squirm, and I hope it did, but it wasn't the first.
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Too late to go back and edit your post. You were the first one and to cover your tracks you are so so sad that someone is politicizing it. It is all here for everyone to see. To add to your humiliation, the guy who sat ON the perp had a carry permit and a gun in his pocket with safety off. You wanna guess what made him bold enough to do that?
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Oh my goodness you made a little boo boo there Dakota.
The first "political" comment on this thread came at 12:03 PM on Jan. 8 and was not authored by moi.
I'm flattered that you follow my writing so closely and that it inspires you to comment.
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kj wrote:
In Idaho, a physical therapist can't do psych evals, but neither can a Sheriff (maybe in Cali ;-). At any rate, I'll go out on a limb and contend there isn't anyone who will ever know exactly why he did what he did. kj.
well, i do evals for a living and I stand by my previous statement. Schizophrenic, bipolar, or some sort of drug-induced psychosis / mania.
That's based on very little info, of course, but i've seen writing / thoughts like that before. Time will reveal more info.
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Kiva wrote:
well, i do evals for a living and I stand by my previous statement. Schizophrenic, bipolar, or some sort of drug-induced psychosis / mania.
That's based on very little info, of course, but i've seen writing / thoughts like that before. Time will reveal more info.
kiva
Bottom line, this was a seriously messed up kid. One doesn't need credentials to figure that out.
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Pam wrote:
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well, i do evals for a living and I stand by my previous statement. Schizophrenic, bipolar, or some sort of drug-induced psychosis / mania.
That's based on very little info, of course, but i've seen writing / thoughts like that before. Time will reveal more info.
kiva
Bottom line, this was a seriously messed up kid. One doesn't need credentials to figure that out.
to me, there is a big difference between "angry, messed up kid" and "mentally ill." HUGE difference as to the degree to which he was able to control his behavior. The law seems to agree - though it is *really* hard to get an insanity plea to work...
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Kiva wrote:
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In Idaho, a physical therapist can't do psych evals, but neither can a Sheriff (maybe in Cali ;-). At any rate, I'll go out on a limb and contend there isn't anyone who will ever know exactly why he did what he did. kj.
well, i do evals for a living and I stand by my previous statement. Schizophrenic, bipolar, or some sort of drug-induced psychosis / mania.
That's based on very little info, of course, but i've seen writing / thoughts like that before. Time will reveal more info.
kiva
It's really sad that the behavior that got him kicked out of community college didn't lead to some really good intervention and therapy. He lived at home, the parents must have lacked the resources and/or knowledge to get him some help. That moment seems to be the beginning of his full marginalization and isolation. At least one of his classmates, a 50-something year old woman, reported being afraid that he would bring a gun to class and sent a friend a detailed email about his behavior, the friend still had the email and sent it to the NY Times.
So this stuff was going on years before this incident.
His friends said he liked school, but he obviously didn't have the social and coping skills to be successful there...we'll never know what might've helped and what could've prevented this tragedy.
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Grace62 wrote:
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[quote=kj]
In Idaho, a physical therapist can't do psych evals, but neither can a Sheriff (maybe in Cali ;-). At any rate, I'll go out on a limb and contend there isn't anyone who will ever know exactly why he did what he did. kj.
well, i do evals for a living and I stand by my previous statement. Schizophrenic, bipolar, or some sort of drug-induced psychosis / mania.
That's based on very little info, of course, but i've seen writing / thoughts like that before. Time will reveal more info.
kiva
It's really sad that the behavior that got him kicked out of community college didn't lead to some really good intervention and therapy. He lived at home, the parents must have lacked the resources and/or knowledge to get him some help. That moment seems to be the beginning of his full marginalization and isolation. At least one of his classmates, a 50-something year old woman, reported being afraid that he would bring a gun to class and sent a friend a detailed email about his behavior, the friend still had the email and sent it to the NY Times.
So this stuff was going on years before this incident.
His friends said he liked school, but he obviously didn't have the social and coping skills to be successful there...we'll never know what might've helped and what could've prevented this tragedy.
well said. I would love to hear about what his high school experience was like, as he sounds like one of the kids I work with. We've had a few that we were certainly afraid of...
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Kiva wrote:
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well, i do evals for a living and I stand by my previous statement. Schizophrenic, bipolar, or some sort of drug-induced psychosis / mania.
That's based on very little info, of course, but i've seen writing / thoughts like that before. Time will reveal more info.
kiva
Bottom line, this was a seriously messed up kid. One doesn't need credentials to figure that out.
to me, there is a big difference between "angry, messed up kid" and "mentally ill." HUGE difference as to the degree to which he was able to control his behavior. The law seems to agree - though it is *really* hard to get an insanity plea to work...
Seriously messed up kid = mentally ill kid in my vocabulary (I didn't say angry). To what extent and to which diagnosis I'll leave to the experts. However, it does not take an expert to know with the behavior his friends, college classmates, and professors reported that he needed mental health care. Unfortunately, forcing someone to get help is not easy.
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Evidently Loughner read Ayn Rand as well. So have I. Will I go on a murderous Libertarian rampage?
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