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Jennie should learn math
#31
graylocks wrote:

how is it that Jennie knows 8*2 and 8*5 if she doesn't know multiplication tables? why are there such gaps in her education? is splitting into 2+5 the ONLY correct answer?

That's the problem I have with Common Core. My son is in 1st grade and is learning basic addition. Not only does he have to solve the equation, he has to write a sentence on how he solved it. And apparently, there is only one right answer: the way they want you to solve it. If he has memorized that 8+7=15, that's not good enough. He knows the right answer, but if he doesn't explain how he got the answer to their satisfaction, it is marked as incorrect.

Same thing with reading. He had to read a paragraph, and underline the main point of the paragraph. Even my wife and I couldn't agree which sentence it should be. I even thought there was a third possible answer. I asked the teacher how a 6 year old is supposed to get the answer when we couldn't agree. She told me that, at least as far as she was concerned, any answer was fine. But I'm sure once he gets in 3rd grade (which is when they start testing them on this stuff), it will matter.
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#32
I was posting as s-t posted the actual homework example. Yup. It's not enough to know the answer, but you have to "Explain why?" At least this example is multiple choice. But if it's free form, you have to explain things the way they think you should. Not every kid is wired to think the same way.

I was a whiz at math. I look at the stuff they're teaching my son, and I can tell you that I didn't learn it that way. In some ways, I think they're making it harder than it should be.
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#33
N-OS X-tasy! wrote:
Word problems were one method used to teach math back when I learned the subject; rote repetition was another. Both methods have their merits.

"Word problems" have a different meaning under Common Core.

An example of an old-school word-problem: "Divide 16 by 4 and identify the quotient." Or, long-form: "Jenny has 16 apples and four friends. If she gives each friend an equal number of apples, how many apples would she give to each friend?"

An example of a Common Core word-problem: "Jimmy wants to save money for a new bicycle seat that costs $16 dollars. Jimmy plans to get a job bussing tables at a local restaurant. He plans carefully and decides that after taxes and expenses he can save the money to pay for a new bike seat with four months' work. Write an equation that shows how Jimmy would determine the amount of money he must save each month to meet his savings goal."
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#34
The goal of common core is to teach number sense. Most kids have only known how to use a calculator. If they punch in the wrong numbers they get the wrong answer. Or, if they don't understand orders of operation the answer could be completely wrong. If they understand how to estimate in their head they'll know if the answer they get makes sense. The trick of breaking down the problem into smaller components is meant to help teach number sense.
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#35
space-time wrote:
just so you don't think I made this Jennie up. We put him to erase the sentence he wrote earlier (he is already in trouble with that teacher) and write down the explanation. I should have scanned this before he erased it Smile


Ah. That question is designed to teach the distributive property of multiplication, not multiplication itself.
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#36
rz wrote:
I look at the stuff they're teaching my son, and I can tell you that I didn't learn it that way. In some ways, I think they're making it harder than it should be.

Oh, hell yeah they are.
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#37
N-OS X-tasy! wrote:
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Ah. That question is designed to teach the distributive property of multiplication, not multiplication itself.

yes, but in 3rd grade they are just now doing multiplications (I learned this in second grade) and they should tech them how to use parenthesis and the order of operations and then explain this is called "distributive property of multiplication", but that after they master multiplication tables. right now it's still too early IMHO. They are still teaching them multiplication.
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#38
Onamuji wrote:
[quote=N-OS X-tasy!]
Word problems were one method used to teach math back when I learned the subject; rote repetition was another. Both methods have their merits.

"Word problems" have a different meaning under Common Core.

An example of an old-school word-problem: "Divide 16 by 4 and identify the quotient." Or, long-form: "Jenny has 16 apples and four friends. If she gives each friend an equal number of apples, how many apples would she give to each friend?"

An example of a Common Core word-problem: "Jimmy wants to save money for a new bicycle seat that costs $16 dollars. Jimmy plans to get a job bussing tables at a local restaurant. He plans carefully and decides that after taxes and expenses he can save the money to pay for a new bike seat with four months' work. Write an equation that shows how Jimmy would determine the amount of money he must save each month to meet his savings goal."
Teaching math and reading comprehension skills in the same lesson? I'd say you are more than getting your money's worth at that school!
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#39
space-time wrote:
[quote=N-OS X-tasy!]
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Ah. That question is designed to teach the distributive property of multiplication, not multiplication itself.

yes, but in 3rd grade they are just now doing multiplications (I learned this in second grade) and they should tech them how to use parenthesis and the order of operations and then explain this is called "distributive property of multiplication", but that after they master multiplication tables. right now it's still too early IMHO. They are still teaching them multiplication.
I don't disagree with your opinion. You hadn't indicated until now what grade your daughter is in.
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#40
N-OS X-tasy! wrote:
[quote=rz]
I look at the stuff they're teaching my son, and I can tell you that I didn't learn it that way. In some ways, I think they're making it harder than it should be.

Oh, hell yeah they are.
:agree:

and if they're not learning number sense because they are punching it into calculators - then take away the damn calculators! :oldfogette:
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