GeneL Needs Our Help!

[mikebw]

rgG wrote:
The weird thing to me is that Mavis’s grandchildren are adults with kids of their own. How does the daughter have control over who her adult children see?

Do we know that for a fact? I mean, given the ages in play here it is possible. With Mavis being 88, her kids could be anywhere from 30-60 ish, so maybe the grandkids are from teenagers up to 40s?

[deckeda]

space-time wrote:
... if you ask GeneL, or her, or her daughter, she is not really allowed to do anything she pleases.

That would be why I also noted the coercion.

[Janit]

mikebw wrote:
[quote=rgG]
The weird thing to me is that Mavis’s grandchildren are adults with kids of their own. How does the daughter have control over who her adult children see?

Do we know that for a fact? I mean, given the ages in play here it is possible. With Mavis being 88, her kids could be anywhere from 30-60 ish, so maybe the grandkids are from teenagers up to 40s?
The grandchildren are old enough to have children of their own. The daughter is threatening to cut off access to grandchildren AND great-grandchildren. This is stated in the original post. Either the daughter is bluffing, or her own children are terrified of her as well.

[Robert M]

Gene,

Sorry I haven't posted to this thread until now. I've read through everything and Mavis needs to speak with an attorney immediately. doesn't matter how she is feeling physically and/or emotionally. You _have_ to find a way to broach it with her. Mavis's ability to live her own life has already been compromised by her daughter and I bet it's only going to get worse. That's not even factoring how this situation has impacted you.

If you (or Mavis) can't afford an attorney, it might be worth contacting local law schools about pro bono work. Same goes for the CA bar. They might be able to help you find someone who can help you _and_ Mavis.

Also, have you contacted Eldercare? I found it via an Ask Amy column. Sounds like they might be a good source of info.



If not, give them a call for yourself _and_ Mavis.

To me it sounds like you're ready to give up on yourself and Mavis. That's not the GeneL I've gotten to know in the forum. I think once you make a little bit of progress in resolving your situation, that success will inspire you to keep moving forward in a positive direction. Wish I could do more unfortunately that link is all that I can offer.

Robert

[Rick-o]

rgG wrote:

The weird thing to me is that Mavis’s grandchildren are adults with kids of their own. How does the daughter have control over who her adult children see?
There must be so much more to this than we can ever know.
Hopefully things work out or work out well enough.

My thoughts exactly. We're hearing one perspective on this whole spectacle. I would like to hear more sides to this saga. Too bad Mavis and the evil daughter aren't active on the MRF.

[Buzz]

OK, time to be perfectly blunt. When I said, "You need some major league advocacy in these parts to get any sort of help. Gene & Mavis both need some major league advocacy. Getting a competent lawyer is likely a good start. Until competent advocacy is in place, it's nothing but a giant circle jerk, with the biggest bully (Mavis' daughter) the odds on favorite to win. "

In California's populous counties that means Mavis (perhaps with Gene's help) needs to get a bigger bully, or bullies, than Mavis's daughter, and he/she/they need(s) to out bully the current biggest bully in the game, which is Mavis's daughter. Unless, and until that happens, Mavis's daughter remains the biggest bully in the game, and she will win.
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[Yoyodyne ArtWorks]

One possible interpretation of the overall situation: Mavis and her husband want the property to pass unencumbered to Mavis’s daughter upon Mavis’s and the husband’s passing. That’s why Mavis has never allowed Gene to contribute any money toward the cost of the condo. The daughter is ratcheting up the certainty of no claims from Gene by compelling Mavis to now bar Gene from the property altogether.

Possible solution? Gene signs a formal renter’s agreement with Mavis, clearly showing he is a renter only and has ZERO claim on the property should she pass away before him.

Will she (and her daughter) go for it? Maybe, if the rental income from Gene is enough to significantly help Mavis out financially.

Edit: Yikes, lots of typos in here!

[rgG]

Yoyodyne ArtWorks wrote:
One possible interpretation of the overall situation: Mavis and her husband want the property to pass unencumbered to Mavis’s daughter upon Mavis’s and the husband’s passing. That’s why Mavis has never allowed a Gene to contribute any moneys toward the cost of the condo. The daughter is ratcheting up the certainty of no claims from Gene by compelling Mavis to now bar Gene from the property altogether.

Possible solution? Gene signs a formal renter’s agreement with Mavis, clearly showing he is a renter only and has ZERO claim on the property should she pass away before him.

Will she (and her daughter) go for it? Maybe, if the rental income from Gene is enough to significantly help Mavis out financially.

This sounds like a possible plan, at least from what we know, and if the daughter is doing this because of money and not some other reason we are not aware of.

[Sarcany]

rgG wrote:
[quote=Yoyodyne ArtWorks]
One possible interpretation of the overall situation: Mavis and her husband want the property to pass unencumbered to Mavis’s daughter upon Mavis’s and the husband’s passing. That’s why Mavis has never allowed a Gene to contribute any moneys toward the cost of the condo. The daughter is ratcheting up the certainty of no claims from Gene by compelling Mavis to now bar Gene from the property altogether.

Possible solution? Gene signs a formal renter’s agreement with Mavis, clearly showing he is a renter only and has ZERO claim on the property should she pass away before him.

Will she (and her daughter) go for it? Maybe, if the rental income from Gene is enough to significantly help Mavis out financially.

This sounds like a possible plan, at least from what we know, and if the daughter is doing this because of money and not some other reason we are not aware of.
He could also sign a quitclaim foregoing any rights or title he may have against the property or trust, perhaps in exchange for a lifetime joint-tenancy in the home. (Assuming again that the daughter is after the trust.)

These are things to work out with an attorney.

[testcase]

Maybe GeneL could get "Vito & Clams" to visit Mavis' daughter.... :bat: 8-)