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Blankity Blank wrote:
DUI. Field test, failed breathalyzer; attempted to handcuff; unprovoked, violent resisting of arrest, seizes weapon from officer, flees, uses weapon against officer, victim of lethal force.
Trying to frame every instance as a tragedy of monumental injustice ultimately does the cause of justice no service.
DUI. Field test, failed breathalyzer; attempted to handcuff, suspect reflexively pulls away, cop steps back and raises his hands, suspect calms down, handcuffed and taken to jail. Alive.
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Sarcany wrote:
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DUI. Field test, failed breathalyzer; attempted to handcuff; unprovoked, violent resisting of arrest, seizes weapon from officer, flees, uses weapon against officer, victim of lethal force.
Trying to frame every instance as a tragedy of monumental injustice ultimately does the cause of justice no service.
DUI. Field test, failed breathalyzer; attempted to handcuff, suspect reflexively pulls away, cop steps back and raises his hands, suspect calms down, handcuffed and taken to jail. Alive.
"De-Escalation"
"Protect and serve"
Quaint concepts.
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Blankity Blank wrote:
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The bodycam footage has been the most informative I’ve seen.
I didn’t see the part where they killed a man because of a DUI.
Oh wait, I guess I did.
DUI. Field test, failed breathalyzer, handcuffed and taken to jail. Alive.
DUI. Field test, failed breathalyzer; attempted to handcuff; unprovoked, violent resisting of arrest, seizes weapon from officer, flees, uses weapon against officer, victim of lethal force.
Trying to frame every instance as a tragedy of monumental injustice ultimately does the cause of justice no service.
You and I define cause of justice very differently. I’d put him in front of a judge. You’d put him in front of a gun. One of us would work to effect justice. The other would take an easy way out and not shed a tear.
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This was a police murder supported by racist policies allowing deadly force in unnecessary situations. These officers were trained to murder bodies found out of place, and those bodies are disproportionately Black and brown and poor.
The details of this case are less important than what the racist policies in place produced. The system, functioning as designed and the officers acting as trained, brought two armed officers to address a traffic control issue. No one contends that the Rayshard Brooks presented a threat to anyone while asleep in his car. Nonetheless, rather than dispatch a tow truck to handle a car inconveniently parked, the system sent highly trained, multiply armed officers - the folks we say we want to protect us from terrorists, rapists, and violent gang members.
The system set up the targeted Black body, aggressively dominated by fast-acting and rapidly escalating officers, to be a target if it offered any resistance to its demands of absolute control. The racist policies governing use of force meant that any active resistance, any self-defense by a recently awakened, allegedly intoxicated man, could and would be met with deadly force.
The attitudes of the officers toward Brooks' skin color is secondary, if it matters at all. The attitude of the Wendy's employee who summoned the police towards Brooks' skin color is secondary, if it matters at all.
What matters is that when the system identified a Black body out of place in Atlanta, racist policies ensured that warriors trained to defend society were sent in response.
[Apologies for reposting - it seemed relevant here too.]
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deckeda wrote:
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[quote=deckeda]
[quote=Blankity Blank]
The bodycam footage has been the most informative I’ve seen.
I didn’t see the part where they killed a man because of a DUI.
Oh wait, I guess I did.
DUI. Field test, failed breathalyzer, handcuffed and taken to jail. Alive.
DUI. Field test, failed breathalyzer; attempted to handcuff; unprovoked, violent resisting of arrest, seizes weapon from officer, flees, uses weapon against officer, victim of lethal force.
Trying to frame every instance as a tragedy of monumental injustice ultimately does the cause of justice no service.
You and I define cause of justice very differently. I’d put him in front of a judge. You’d put him in front of a gun. One of us would work to effect justice. The other would take an easy way out and not shed a tear.
It always makes me sad and despair just a little when I see an ally on the left veer into baseless hyperbole as smear, give in to the meritless ownership of the high ground. Easy things to do, human nature bring what it is, but I hold onto the hope that such things will remain, at least mostly, the stomping ground of the right.
No sense of history of position. No curiosity why a voice must often four square allied might, in this singular instance, see a different perspective from that which is reflexive.
I suppose to some now I’ve ‘shown my true colors’. There’s always humor to be found, even in disappoint. :biggrin:
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Blankity Blank wrote:
It always makes me sad and despair just a little when I see an ally on the left veer into baseless hyperbole...No sense of history of position. No curiosity why a voice must often four square allied might, in this singular instance, see a different perspective...
12 Ways to Be a White Ally to Black People
The good-kid narrative says that this kid didn’t deserve to die because his goodness was an exception to the rule. This is wrong. This kid didn’t deserve to die, period. Similarly, reject the “He was a criminal” narrative surrounding the convenience store robbery because even if Brown did steal some cigars and have a scuffle with the shopkeeper, that is still not a justification for his killing. All black lives matter, not just the ones we deem to be “good.”
It's weird to me to see someone call himself an "ally" who so totally doesn't get it.
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What am I missing? There's no DUI. He was ASLEEP in a parked car. When the police woke him up, they realized he was likely drunk and THEN escalated the issue by making him get out, take a breathalyzer test, etc.
Yes, he parked in a private parking lot. To my knowledge, that isn't illegal. I do not recall - did Wendy's call the police, or did the police take on this issue on their own?
The rest of this is predictable from current police teaching, and from the experience of black men by police.
Come on, the police KNEW he was drunk! There are no circumstances where this should have resulted in ANYONE's death.
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This is a very unfortunate event. So sad that the young man is dead. Those offices will have to bear the guilt of this for the rest of their lives.
However, this is not even close to the cruelty that George Floyd had to suffer for 8 min and 45 seconds. This was a fast developing events, officers lost control of the situation and that felt threatened and use lethal force.
now could the same thing have happened to a white guy? I don't see why not. I like to think that the color of his skin had nothing to do with the fact that they went to wake him up. We will probably never know for sure.
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sekker wrote:
What am I missing? There's no DUI. He was ASLEEP in a parked car. When the police woke him up, they realized he was likely drunk and THEN escalated the issue by making him get out, take a breathalyzer test, etc.
Most DUI laws are written/construed so that if youre drunk in a parked car, listening to the radio and the key is in the ignition, you're operating a motor vehicle while under the influence!
https://youtu.be/lkekthZvUog
Srubs even did an episode where the main character, after drinking some, is WALKING his scooter down the sidewalk, but since he's turned the key to listen to the radio while WALKING, he's operating his motor vehicle!
They played it for laughs.
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Sarcany wrote:
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It always makes me sad and despair just a little when I see an ally on the left veer into baseless hyperbole...No sense of history of position. No curiosity why a voice must often four square allied might, in this singular instance, see a different perspective...
12 Ways to Be a White Ally to Black People
The good-kid narrative says that this kid didn’t deserve to die because his goodness was an exception to the rule. This is wrong. This kid didn’t deserve to die, period. Similarly, reject the “He was a criminal” narrative surrounding the convenience store robbery because even if Brown did steal some cigars and have a scuffle with the shopkeeper, that is still not a justification for his killing. All black lives matter, not just the ones we deem to be “good.”
It's weird to me to see someone call himself an "ally" who so totally doesn't get it.
Still no sense history. Still not an iota of curiosity.
“...totally doesn’t get it.” :biggrin:
I saw my first black body drop lifeless to the ground at the hand of a cop more than half a century ago.
Ally? No.
I’ve been part of the army for longer than most in this conversation have probably been alive.
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