Why are these topics aligned: anti-abortion, pro-guns, climate change denials

[Ted King]

Smote wrote:
I am very much in the pro-choice camp. Personal choice and personal freedoms. pro abortion does not have to mean anti gun.

But there sure is a certain hypocrisy in those same people screaming about 20,000 killed by firearms seem to be silent about the 25-75 times more lives ended by abortions. :dunno: The mom is excersizing her choice sure, but what about the unborn kids who have no say?

25-75 times more depends on which recent year you look at. But the enormous difference in either ratio illustrates the point.

I've had a family member who was raped. I understand the issues from a pretty close perspective. In the past I drove a few friends to abortion clinics because they had no one else to turn to for help who wouldn't judge them.

An implicit assumption you are making is that a fetus is a person as much as a post-birth person that is killed by a firearm. I don't accept that assumption.

[SDGuy]

I think you're just noticing the center part of the Venn Diagram...and not noticing its individual sets as having elements that are not in the overlapping part.
That may be due to media coverage skewing perception, or maybe, in fact, the overlapping region contains the majority...without data on this, there's no way to tell what the truth is.

[Racer X]

Ted King wrote:
[quote=Smote]
I am very much in the pro-choice camp. Personal choice and personal freedoms. pro abortion does not have to mean anti gun.

But there sure is a certain hypocrisy in those same people screaming about 20,000 killed by firearms seem to be silent about the 25-75 times more lives ended by abortions. :dunno: The mom is excersizing her choice sure, but what about the unborn kids who have no say?

25-75 times more depends on which recent year you look at. But the enormous difference in either ratio illustrates the point.

I've had a family member who was raped. I understand the issues from a pretty close perspective. In the past I drove a few friends to abortion clinics because they had no one else to turn to for help who wouldn't judge them.

An implicit assumption you are making is that a fetus is a person as much as a post-birth person that is killed by a firearm. I don't accept that assumption.
That's your right. But there is some logic there IF someone were to ascribe to the belief that a life is lost when an abortion is done.

[Ted King]

Smote wrote:
[quote=Ted King]
[quote=Smote]
I am very much in the pro-choice camp. Personal choice and personal freedoms. pro abortion does not have to mean anti gun.

But there sure is a certain hypocrisy in those same people screaming about 20,000 killed by firearms seem to be silent about the 25-75 times more lives ended by abortions. :dunno: The mom is excersizing her choice sure, but what about the unborn kids who have no say?

25-75 times more depends on which recent year you look at. But the enormous difference in either ratio illustrates the point.

I've had a family member who was raped. I understand the issues from a pretty close perspective. In the past I drove a few friends to abortion clinics because they had no one else to turn to for help who wouldn't judge them.

An implicit assumption you are making is that a fetus is a person as much as a post-birth person that is killed by a firearm. I don't accept that assumption.
That's your right. But there is some logic there IF someone were to ascribe to the belief that a life is lost when an abortion is done.
You said, "...there sure is a certain hypocrisy in those same people screaming about 20,000 killed by firearms seem to be silent about the 25-75 times more lives ended by abortions."

There is nothing in that formulation that suggests that "those same people" is meant to only apply to those who think that fetuses are people as much as people killed by firearms.

[Speedy]

Nobody loves abortion but we do believe it is the woman’s choice to make. A whole lot of us hate guns and those who use it as a reactionary wedge issue.

Leaders who are climate change deniers are simply in it for the money. Too bad they have so many followers who deny in order to own the libs. There are comparatively few deniers around the world outside of the USA.

[Racer X]

very true Ted. I chose the words incorrectly.

In the broadest overall generalizations, people who are pro choice, tend to frequently be anti-gun, even though there is a degree of hypocrisy in that 20,000 lives lost to gun violence is far lower than the 25-75 times more fetuses aborted by people who in all likelyhood are pro-choice.

once again, I am pro choice, and I certainly see the hypocrisy. I can morally justify my beliefs in that I don't have the right to judge others, or decide for them. It's how I live my life. That's why I am also pro 2A, because I am also doing everything to protect for others the right to choose if they want to protect themselves and their families, in conjunction with law enforcement, who admits that that can't be everywhere at once. And to protect for others the ability to hunt, for recreation and for sustenance. And I want my grand daughter to have that right to choose when she is old enough, on BOTH issues, btw.

And as for Climate Change or Global Warming, I'm 99.9% sure its real. But even that .1% does not deter me from fully understanding that we all, and the planet, will be better of if we make changes.

But the issues of waste solar panels, wind farm blades, and lithium traction batteries have to be solved immediately.

[RgrF]

It's all a Man Called Otto, someone who is perpetually pissed off.

[Filliam H. Muffman]

Ted King wrote:
Not sure of causal relationships but I think that white males are disproportionately represented in each of those groups.

Rich older white males (like Harlan Crow) are the tie between them.

[DeusxMac]

#1 “Change is bad!”

If things change, I won’t know how to act or make decisions, and I will be at a disadvantage.

[sekker]

Great comments.

My questions on the ‘pro life, pro guns’ is really tied to those that say they are following Christian views.

But then again, the Crusades were all pro-Christian wars I suppose.