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Democrats are lying to you...
#1
https://www.splinter.com/democrats-are-lying-to-you

Senator Chis Van Hollen said to MSNBC today that “we are using all of our powers in the Senate to slow down this trainwreck, to work to stop this trainwreck, and we will continue to do that.” It’s worth watching the video because hearing it doesn’t make this sound any more convincing...

This is a lie. Lie lie lie lie lie. As big of a bald-faced lie as any that Donald Trump has told, and you can see his soul rattling out of his body as he tries to tell it. The Democrats are lying to you. They are not doing everything they can to slow things down in the Senate. They are going home at the end of the week like they always do, granting unanimous consent for their hard-earned three-day weekend last week while Elon Musk rummaged around inside the government.

The reason we can call this an objective lie is thanks to this rule they used to help give themselves a long weekend. The Senate’s entire essence is an entity designed to halt any kind of progress and slow everything down to near-unworkability, and this translates to a set of arcane rules to govern it that like, three people in American history have truly understood. One way to avoid these arcane rules is for everyone to unanimously consent to agreeing that they are dumb and stupid, and no one needs to follow them. It’s how the Senate keeps things moving and gets everyone home for the weekend, which is the primary goal of every lawmaker in each party.

But sometimes, people come along and say that they actually like these dumb and stupid rules, and they object to the unanimous consent of the other Senators and stop everything from moving forward. This is one of the key powers that Senators can use to slow down something they believe to be a trainwreck, and it only takes one person in a seat of power like Chis Van Hollen’s! It’s been done by many Republicans before...

We know the Democrats are lying to us because they are not employing a minority tactic that they soiled their senior diapers over throughout the last two years, proving they are not “using all of our powers in the Senate to slow down this trainwreck.”...

No one in their right mind would think that Democrats are doing everything within their limited scope of powers to slow this trainwreck down, and Jeffries whining about it this early before really using any of the levers he and Schumer have at their disposal is a signal of the true intent of leadership here: to do what they always do and pass the buck and then fundraise off of it...

Another way you know the Democrats are lying to your face about doing everything they can to stop Trump is that every single one of them has voted for at least one of Trump’s cabinet appointments (Marco Rubio), while just ten out of the forty-seven members of the Democratic Senate bloc voted against every other Trump nominee: Tammy Duckworth, Mazie Hirono, Ed Markey, Chris Murphy, Patty Murray, Jack Reed, Elizabeth Warren, Chris Van Hollen, Jeff Merkley and Ron Wyden.

If you did not see your Senators’ name there, call them. That means they voted for someone like climate denier Doug Collins for VA Secretary, or puppy murderer Kristi Noem for the Department of Homeland Security, or oil executive Chris Wright to head the EPA, or even Trump’s own personal fucking lawyer for Attorney General (to be fair, only one Democrat voted for Pam Bondi, and it’s exactly the weasel you think it is–future Fox News host John Fetterman has seeded one of the most inevitable well-funded primary challenges I’ve ever seen)...

Primary these liars out of politics forever.
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#2
As a Pennsylvanian, sorry about Fetterman. We thought we had a gem. Now even his most loyal apologists are growing weary.
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#3
Speaking as a constituent, Chris Van Hollen has been a good Senator. Is this person judging him by this one interview clip? Because that is both stupid and unfair. I follow Van Hollen on FB and he spends a great deal of time explaining to the public exactly what is going on. Of course, people don't like to read. They'd rather see a little TV clip and decide things based on that.
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#4
I disagree with the gentleman. He truly believes that Democrats have more power than they have. I don't need stunting. Just try to delay and obstruct. Mostly via lawsuits. That's where the rubber hits.

Overall, Democrats are fighting back strongly. We're all very frustrated and we are kinda panicking.

2RawTooReal breaks it down. He asks: "What exactly do you want Democrats to do that they aren’t already doing? Real answers only." If you can't see this, then that's one of the problems right there. We 'going to suffer greatly. We gave away the farm. But we'll get it back.

https://x.com/i/status/1889783297439412435
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#5
$tevie wrote:
Speaking as a constituent, Chris Van Hollen has been a good Senator. Is this person judging him by this one interview clip? ...

I think you failed to read to the end.

He lied in that interview clip.

But all the dems in Congress are lying. Even AOC.

They are cooperating with the Republicans. They are complicit.
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#6
Tiangou wrote:
[quote=$tevie]
Speaking as a constituent, Chris Van Hollen has been a good Senator. Is this person judging him by this one interview clip? ...

I think you failed to read to the end.

He lied in that interview clip.

But all the dems in Congress are lying. Even AOC.

They are cooperating with the Republicans. They are complicit.
This is the attitude that drives me crazy. Every single Democrat opposed RFK Jr and Gabbard. Yet some people (not you, Tiangou) will ding them for being “complicit” or “feckless”. Did you vote for them last November? Well, no, they’re complicit and feckless, or There is no difference between the parties (!), or They supported minor stance X that I am against, or I was busy that day.

Over 50 lawsuits against recent Trump administration actions gave already been filed, and at least some are working. Judges have issued injunctions; the Trump administration is going to have to defend its arbitrary and brain-dead policies in court, and in public.

What do folks want? Even if every single Dem Senator had voted against every Trump nominee, the R’s would have adjusted their “deep concerns” to get them passed. Should the Dems burn down the Capitol to express their opposition?

Elections have consequences. Voting has consequences.
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#7
No Democratic Senator should have voted Yea on ANY Trump cabinet nomination. None are qualified, and most are rich billionaires. Yet Feterman and both of our (Michigan) senators (Peters and freshman Slotkin voted Yea on 7 of the nominees, some of the most of any Democratic senators. (Gallego Hassan and Shaheen voted Yea on 9 nominees, Hickenlooper 8.)

I agree with Tiangou and the article posted. Democratic lawmakers are selling us out.
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#8
I don't think I can reasonably judge the Senator as lying by reading that. Saying, in essence, I'm doing everything I can is subjective, and, likewise, translating the meaning in the reader's mind. I can almost endlessly come up with actions that people did not do to stop an event. Have the Dems taken turns pulling fire alarms? If not, then they are not doing everything they can do. Did the interviewer pose the question about why he didn't do that particular action?
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#9
I really do not want to defend the lack of no holds barred tactics. Brian Schatz did say he would hold all State Department nominations because of USAID.

The one thing I will say in their defense is that one constituency in the Dem tent is the pearl clutching, whiny, 'can't we just get along?' caucus. Not talking about representatives...I am talking about voters like this. Two weeks ago the Dems were being told to 'work together', and 'try to find common ground'. This is by groups of Dem voters.

I think that we should have done the Tommy Tuberville thing on all the nominees. But our side is terrified that we will be accused of being intransigent. Unfortunately for us, the voters are not symmetric in this view. The Trump side wants fighting. Many on our side want something else.
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#10
Sam3 wrote:
No Democratic Senator should have voted Yea on ANY Trump cabinet nomination. None are qualified, and most are rich billionaires.

While I agree with you, they would have been confirmed anyway.

Sam3 wrote: Democratic lawmakers are selling us out.

I disagree there. Particularly in purple states, a congressperson may want to keep their powder dry for votes that would matter.

numbered wrote: I think that we should have done the Tommy Tuberville thing

Tuberville is from one of the reddest of Red states, and is a know-nothing jerk.
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