All Babies Go to Heaven

[MacMagus]

> Unless you're Catholic, I don't understand why you would give a rat's ass one way or the other.

Catholics get into everything.

[RgrF]

[quote billb]Unless you're Catholic, I don't understand why you would give a rat's ass one way or the other.
Only Catholics should care about pedophile priests, Bishop and Cardinal cover ups and abuse of bankruptcy laws, why is that?

How's Cardinal Law these days bill, think he'll ever face charges? should he? Mahoney in LA may need a golden parachute of his own. It's hard to know who to despise most for their corruption, the Church or the Republican Congress and Administration.

Well ok that was a lie. It's not hard to decide the Church is more despicable but only because we already expect our politicians to be corrupt.

[Effin Haole]

If the catholic church disappeared tomorrow it wouldn't bother me in the least.

Actually, I stand corrected, that goes for all religions.

[DharmaDog]

This is great news.

I was born and raised jewish, but never really got into it and don't practice at all now. My wife is Catholic, mildly religious, but is thoroughly brainwashed that our new baby MUST be baptized. I'm somewhere between indifferent and a bit against the idea myself. I don't believe anyone should be indoctrinated into a religion. They should choose a religion when they are old enough to do so, if they desire to. Of course, if it really worked that way there would be many fewer religious people roaming the planet, and that's fine by me.

I had agreed to go ahead with it, primarily for the sake of her family which is more than mildly religious. My mother passed away years ago, and was not religious herself. My father stopped being one when I was 8, so we don't need to worry about offending him. My extended family is not religious either. So this is really for my wife and her family.

But if the Pope says it's no longer necessary, then there may be a safe way out of this.

Yea!

[incognegro]

this thread is making me LOLOL!

imagine the noise of all those crying babies!

[bernadette]

If you believe in the 'mainstream' religions then you have to believe that Jesus died for the sins committed by man from the beginning of time until the end of time.
Babies commit no sins, so why shouldn't they go to heaven?
If God is all knowing, he already knows exactly what sins I'm going to be committing next week, but according to Catholicism I'm already forgiven, as long as I believe?
No I don't think I want to believe i such a vengeful, punishing God. Someone who only loves you when you do what he considers to be the 'right' thing.
I love my children unconditionally whatever they do, I don't always like or love the behaviour, but I always love the child.
I'm only 'human' but can do this for my kids, why can't God do this for his?
So where's the problem?
My God, this is all so confusing, it all sounds very sinister and 'cultish' to me.

I just want to know, did anyone ask God about this 'Limbo' thing?

http://www.cultinformation.org.uk/faq.html

[Lux Interior]

[quote bernadette]
Babies commit no sins, so why shouldn't they go to heaven?

In order to ensure a fresh crop of customers with each new generation, they came up with "Original Sin™".

[kj]

>>>I love my children unconditionally whatever they do, I don't always like or love the behaviour, but I always love the child.
I'm only 'human' but can do this for my kids, why can't God do this for his?
So where's the problem?


I'd be surprised if catholics don't believe God unconditionally loves everyone. I know most other christians do. As far as "good deeds", I assume catholicism puts a lot of emphasis on behavior. Whereas other christians are more "grace" oriented, where "works" do not get you to heaven. Of course, if you believe, you would try to do good things, but good behavior is not what gets you to heaven.

Ron Sexsmith:

God loves everyone
Like a mother loves her son
No strings at all
Unconditional
Never one to judge
Would never hold a grudge
'Bout what's been done
God loves everyone

There are no gates in heaven
Everyone gets in
Queer or straight
Souls of every faith
Hell is in our minds
Hell is in this life
But when it's gone
God takes everyone

Its love is like a womb
It's like the air from room to room
It surrounds us all
The living and the dead
May we never lose the thread
That bound us all

The killer in his cell
The atheist as well
The pure of heart
And the wild at heart
Are all worthy of its grace
It's written in the face
Of everyone
God loves everyone

There's no need to be saved
No need to be afraid
Cause when it's done
God takes everyone

God loves everyone

Maybe not completely Biblical, but closer than most would think. kj.

[Lux Interior]

[quote kj]
I'd be surprised if catholics don't believe God unconditionally loves everyone. I know most other christians do.
Not round these parts. I live in the same town as Jerry Falwell, who is happy to tell me that his unconditionally loving God will cast me to Hell because I did not follow the proper Baptist protocols.

Then there's his good buddy Pat "Hoof in Mouth" Robertson, who says we brought 9-11 on ourselves because of the gays. Not to mention his prayer parties to bring about the deaths of those who don't follow his dogma.

And before you bring out the "It's these fringe whackos who give Christians a bad name" argument, I will say that these asshats are more mainstream than you care to admit.

Fred Phelps is a whacko, nutcase on the fringe. Not Pat & Jerry.

[kj]

>>>Then there's his good buddy Pat "Hoof in Mouth" Robertson, who says we brought 9-11 on ourselves because of the gays. Not to mention his prayer parties to bring about the deaths of those who don't follow his dogma.
And before you bring out the "It's these fringe whackos who give Christians a bad name" argument, I will say that these asshats are more mainstream than you care to admit.

You're right, I woudn't agree that pat and jerry are typical of christians. But unfortunately (or not), people are people, and they aren't even nearly perfect. I've never met a christian who cares anything about pat or jerry though (I bet most are in their 80's).

>>>Not round these parts. I live in the same town as Jerry Falwell, who is happy to tell me that his unconditionally loving God will cast me to Hell because I did not follow the proper Baptist protocols.

I know you probably don't care, but something I've heard a lot is that it makes God sad when we don't do well. I would imagine it would really bum him out to ship people to hell, but that's part of free agency, in that we have been given that choice. None of that interferes with the idea that he unconditionally loves us. Just like with children, you don't let them do anything they want just because you love them.

I haven't come in contact with many people who think only their denomination is "saved", but they probably exist. I think they're wrong, and I would bet a majority of christians would agree they're wrong. There's a huge amount of diversity of belief among even the people in one church, not to mention all different churches, so to characterize them all based on jerry and pat seems awfully wrong to me. kj.