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Does Pallin really think "Under God" was in the pledge of allegiance?
#41
[quote Black Landlord][quote karsen][quote Black Landlord]Considering we know next to nothing about the person who could be president a year from now, I'm not going to be told I can't discuss a statement she made showing a poor grasp of american history, and I won't be told that it's some sort of dirty pool or double standard to make judgements about this mystery person based on any credible info which surfaces.
I agree 100%

Obama also spoke about his uncle, who was part of the American brigade that helped to liberate Auschwitz. He said the family legend is that, upon returning from war, his uncle spent six months in an attic. “Now obviously, something had really affected him deeply, but at that time there just weren’t the kinds of facilities to help somebody work through that kind of pain,” Obama said. “That’s why this idea of making sure that every single veteran, when they are discharged, are screened for post-traumatic stress disorder and given the mental health services that they need – that’s why it’s so important.”

Let's discuss his poor grasp on American History.

EDIT: I bet more Americans know which country liberated Auschwitz than who wrote the Pledge of Allegiance.
The validity of criticism and scrutiny of Palin does not hinge on some abstract and far-fetched analogy to Obama.
The analogy is not far-fetched or abstract. For some reason you slam Palin's lack of grasp on American History but when it comes to Obama's revisionist history comments they are irrelevant?

Palin's comments could very easily be summed up to misinterpretation. If it was indeed a mistake, who cares? Her comments were unprepared and off the cuff in an interview. People make mistakes.

Obama's comments were from a planned speech, with time to research and prepare. yet he still got it wrong. Did he lie? I don't think so. It was a gaff that in the greater scheme of things means absolutely nothing. Get over it, and get over Palin's too.
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#42
yes, who made it into a particular german city first during world war 2 has every bit of the importance as the relationship between religion and government in our nation's history.
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#43
Personally, I think reciting a pledge to your country is a fascist crock of shit in the first place.

Deeds, not words.
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#44
[quote karsen][quote Black Landlord][quote karsen][quote Black Landlord]Considering we know next to nothing about the person who could be president a year from now, I'm not going to be told I can't discuss a statement she made showing a poor grasp of american history, and I won't be told that it's some sort of dirty pool or double standard to make judgements about this mystery person based on any credible info which surfaces.
I agree 100%

Obama also spoke about his uncle, who was part of the American brigade that helped to liberate Auschwitz. He said the family legend is that, upon returning from war, his uncle spent six months in an attic. “Now obviously, something had really affected him deeply, but at that time there just weren’t the kinds of facilities to help somebody work through that kind of pain,” Obama said. “That’s why this idea of making sure that every single veteran, when they are discharged, are screened for post-traumatic stress disorder and given the mental health services that they need – that’s why it’s so important.”

Let's discuss his poor grasp on American History.

EDIT: I bet more Americans know which country liberated Auschwitz than who wrote the Pledge of Allegiance.
The validity of criticism and scrutiny of Palin does not hinge on some abstract and far-fetched analogy to Obama.
The analogy is not far-fetched or abstract. For some reason you slam Palin's lack of grasp on American History but when it comes to Obama's revisionist history comments they are irrelevant?

Palin's comments could very easily be summed up to misinterpretation. If it was indeed a mistake, who cares? Her comments were unprepared and off the cuff in an interview. People make mistakes.

Obama's comments were from a planned speech, with time to research and prepare. yet he still got it wrong. Did he lie? I don't think so. It was a gaff that in the greater scheme of things means absolutely nothing. Get over it, and get over Palin's too.
I'm not sure who you're addressing, but I'm certainly not seeing myself in your presumed intensity of passion for Obama or against Palin. You've been a pretty thoughtful and level-headed voice in the poli-forum, karsen, and I'm surprised to see you lumping everyone together on one side or the other as if this were all a big ugly football game.
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#45
For someone under 50 this is an excusable mistake. Knowing when the 49th star was added to the flag shouldn't be required (although that one would be a shock) nor derided if not known.

It's like knowing when the penny changed and who cares?

This obsession with a woman who never should have been nominated is a sideshow. Keeps your thoughts off the nominee.
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#46
[quote Lux Interior]Personally, I think reciting a pledge to your country is a fascist crock of shit in the first place.

Deeds, not words.
I guess that's how they think...in France!

(Say, they got room for two more over there? And some animals? :-) )
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#47
[quote Greg the dogsitter]
(Say, they got room for two more over there? And some animals? :-) )
They did until the Brangelina clan moved in Wink
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#48
[quote Lux Interior]Personally, I think reciting a pledge to your country is a fascist crock of shit in the first place.

Deeds, not words.
With a nod to those French Knights in Monty Python... Smile

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#49
[quote Lux Interior]Personally, I think reciting a pledge to your country is a fascist crock of shit in the first place.

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How about a flag ?

have you ever pledged any sort of allegiance to a child or a wife ? How about a friend ?
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#50
[quote karsen]Heck, read the Constitution for several references to God.
Please cite one.
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