08-25-2010, 12:31 PM
the ones who work tons of overtime in one year to make their retirement go up by a lot for the rest of their lives - that's not right, and it bankrupts budgets.
First of all, if it's allowable, it's right. If there is tons of overtime, the municipality should *possibly* hire more people at straight time. Easy to judge, or in the Forum Experts case, misjudge; much harder to base opinion on actual fact.
Second, in most cases municipalities don't base retirement on overtime, just salary.
No, their paycheck does NOT equal $123K.
Exactly. These are the figures your job says they're "paying" you and you should be damn grateful, regardless of the crap they give you. This is not what you see on your check, savings account, or retirement.
There are many qualified applicants.
Really. You know this-- how?
Mike has listed much of the screening process. Many people who *feel* they're qualified don't make it through that process. And some don't make it through probation.
As Mike mentions, it's costly when someone quits or washes out. For that reason, some budgets are better served paying already qualified employees overtime.
And you clowns want to punish people willing to do the work. This sounds more like a "He/She makes more money than me!! Wahhhh!! Waaahhhhh!" bitch-fest.
Not Engineer vs. DoYouWantFriesWithThat...
POMTL, exactly!
Do they save more in value than they cost in dollars?
That begs the question- what is the value of a home, and of human life, those who stand to lose it and those who step up to save it (potentially losing their own life)?
Anybody, in any work sector, who doesn't do the job they're supposed to do, is overpaid. But as we see in this thread, it's easy to paint with a wide brush, covering up details and accuracy.
I Should Have Been A Firefighter
That presupposes you could have been.
And have the balls.
First of all, if it's allowable, it's right. If there is tons of overtime, the municipality should *possibly* hire more people at straight time. Easy to judge, or in the Forum Experts case, misjudge; much harder to base opinion on actual fact.
Second, in most cases municipalities don't base retirement on overtime, just salary.
No, their paycheck does NOT equal $123K.
Exactly. These are the figures your job says they're "paying" you and you should be damn grateful, regardless of the crap they give you. This is not what you see on your check, savings account, or retirement.
There are many qualified applicants.
Really. You know this-- how?
Mike has listed much of the screening process. Many people who *feel* they're qualified don't make it through that process. And some don't make it through probation.
As Mike mentions, it's costly when someone quits or washes out. For that reason, some budgets are better served paying already qualified employees overtime.
And you clowns want to punish people willing to do the work. This sounds more like a "He/She makes more money than me!! Wahhhh!! Waaahhhhh!" bitch-fest.
Not Engineer vs. DoYouWantFriesWithThat...
POMTL, exactly!
Do they save more in value than they cost in dollars?
That begs the question- what is the value of a home, and of human life, those who stand to lose it and those who step up to save it (potentially losing their own life)?
Anybody, in any work sector, who doesn't do the job they're supposed to do, is overpaid. But as we see in this thread, it's easy to paint with a wide brush, covering up details and accuracy.
I Should Have Been A Firefighter
That presupposes you could have been.
And have the balls.