10-27-2012, 12:28 AM
@cbelt3: "I saw a story today" is quickly forgotten by the easily swayed, when during it's presentation:
1) They won't fact check it and he doesn't cite the source.
2) He quickly moves on to a "conclusion" that's incendiary, which is the main goal.
At some point --- and I think you can see it's not a huge leap --- using a worthless source for the purposes of making a wild accusation meant to {somehow?] make your opponent look wrong = lying.
@samintx:
Lemon's correct. GM couldn't have existed in its recognizable form with "a Chapter 11" --- the local small biz down the street can do that, not GM. Lots of stories about that back then. Chrysler was [once again] caught in bad enough shape that new majority owners were sought and the deal pushed through. The only reason Ford escaped all that mess was because they'd previously/recently borrowed a bunch of money that the other two had not, so Ford had a cushion to weather the storm.
1) They won't fact check it and he doesn't cite the source.
2) He quickly moves on to a "conclusion" that's incendiary, which is the main goal.
At some point --- and I think you can see it's not a huge leap --- using a worthless source for the purposes of making a wild accusation meant to {somehow?] make your opponent look wrong = lying.
@samintx:
Lemon's correct. GM couldn't have existed in its recognizable form with "a Chapter 11" --- the local small biz down the street can do that, not GM. Lots of stories about that back then. Chrysler was [once again] caught in bad enough shape that new majority owners were sought and the deal pushed through. The only reason Ford escaped all that mess was because they'd previously/recently borrowed a bunch of money that the other two had not, so Ford had a cushion to weather the storm.