05-05-2023, 11:54 PM
Acer wrote:
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couldn't agree more.
But right now, today, with our reality as it is, what can we do that doesn't violate civil rights?
better mental/emotional care, enforce the laws already on the books 100% every time, better accuracy on background checks. This means Hunter Biden behind bars for lying on a federal form 4473. He falsified it and signed it. Litterally a signed confession. Every time this happens and nothing is done, it erodes the authority of the law, and law enforcement. I'd say the exact same thing if his dad were a Republican sitting president too.
I think Red Flag laws would be more acceptable if the subject were in the courtroom representing themself before the decision was made. That really is the foundation of our legal systen, innocent until proven guilty. Not that a Red Flag decision decides guilt, but it does assess risk. Shouldn't the subject have the right to deffend themself before their property is taken away, even temporarily? It is temporarily removing their right to self defense with a firearm. (lets not run down a rabbit hole saying his AKM isn't for self defense, ok?) Right now, today, we have that Right. Might change tomorrow, might not.
And I don't disagree with these points. But they highlight the problem with relying on laws to prevent a crime of passion. These laws try to attenuate the demand for firearms but putting up checks and barriers. And they have to be part of the answer. But those barriers can't stop illegal acquisition, as we all know criminals don't follow laws. And, sadly, seldom do the angry or insane. But reducing the numbers and types of weapons from general circulation address the issue of supply, to make less likely someone in the throws of emotion or derangement will have a dangerous weapon at hand. But the gun lobby never wants to talks about supply.
How about not allowing violent felons having the chance to offend again? That sure is a legal solution. How many people running around with manslaughter convictions doing it again right after they get out? How about commiting another crime while waiting on the first trial to start? That's a legal solution. Armed robbery, attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, no bail. You use a firearm like that, you get a time out until it is settled. You are guilty, you serve a lot of time. You do it again, you are done. 3 strikes was supposed to be a real meaningfull thing. People make mistakes, sure. But if you don't learn from them and fix your life, it shouldn't be putting everyone at risk.
"But the gun lobby never wants to talks about supply."
Unless you outlaw and confiscate 3D printers and CNC machines, that ship has sailed. But for that matter, you can build a pistol from parts at Home Depot and Lowe's. Lets outlaw pipes and hand tools.