05-16-2007, 03:42 AM
[quote h']I think Kiva is saying, if someone preaches an ideology that would deprive you of your rights and potentially your life, you should just be "big" and bend over and take it. Smacks of the perspective of someone who has never known persecution.
Thanks for standing firm, chas.
[quote chas_m][quote Kiva]Again, how does being angry and glad that he is dead *help* you or him or anybody else?
1. It helps me because it makes me happy. I like things that make me happy.
2. His death prevents him from amassing any more power. While he was alive, he usually used his power and influence to deny healthcare to people who needed it, to discriminate against people who disagreed with him, to encourage idealogues and zealots into public office where they cause untold harm to billions (I refer you to the Katrina survivors, AIDS epidemic survivors and Iraq War veterans amongst our number, all victims of Falwell's ilk). He also blamed Americans -- yes, AMERICANS -- for causing 9/11 and NEVER retracted those remarks.
3. As I said before, I'm not angry. I'm DELIGHTED. Giddy as a schoolgirl. Think I'll go put on a copy of "Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is Dead."
It helps because if people who didn't know him firsthand learn that he was a world-class, unamerican, unpatriotic, unchristian A$$H*LE, they won't want to emulate him. You know, sort of how we keep reminding the world about Saddam, and Hitler, and Kim Jung-Il and so on.
It helps because we must be vigilant against evil. Jerry Falwell was, by YOUR admission, evil ... so we should just forget that and not speak of it now that he's dead? How does that protect future generations from evil if we don't hold up examples?
I sincerely appreciate the link and look forward to reading it. Sounds like an interesting perspective.
If somebody is that damn evil (he was about as evil as they come in my opinion), then why not just advocate for his outright murder? There are many more of his kind out there. Instead of waiting for him to die, have them killed. Falwell could have been dead al long time ago.
Falwell being dead doesn't mean shit. His kind of evil will continue unabated. You either get busy by thinking globally and acting locally, doing battle to present positive action to defend against those that threaten the greater good, or you succumb to their brand of destruction, degredation and intolerance.
Being happy at the demise of an evil, hurtful person is a natural, human response. You get beat on enough, virtually anyone will wish them dead. That's easy. What's not easy is to remember the evil, stand strong against it, fight for whats right by any legal means necessary, yet honor the life force that represents the original human core of that being. To not sully your own humanity through blind hatred.
Thanks for standing firm, chas.
[quote chas_m][quote Kiva]Again, how does being angry and glad that he is dead *help* you or him or anybody else?
1. It helps me because it makes me happy. I like things that make me happy.
2. His death prevents him from amassing any more power. While he was alive, he usually used his power and influence to deny healthcare to people who needed it, to discriminate against people who disagreed with him, to encourage idealogues and zealots into public office where they cause untold harm to billions (I refer you to the Katrina survivors, AIDS epidemic survivors and Iraq War veterans amongst our number, all victims of Falwell's ilk). He also blamed Americans -- yes, AMERICANS -- for causing 9/11 and NEVER retracted those remarks.
3. As I said before, I'm not angry. I'm DELIGHTED. Giddy as a schoolgirl. Think I'll go put on a copy of "Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is Dead."
I'm not saying he wasn't an evil SOB...but how does what you're doing *help*?
It helps because if people who didn't know him firsthand learn that he was a world-class, unamerican, unpatriotic, unchristian A$$H*LE, they won't want to emulate him. You know, sort of how we keep reminding the world about Saddam, and Hitler, and Kim Jung-Il and so on.
It helps because we must be vigilant against evil. Jerry Falwell was, by YOUR admission, evil ... so we should just forget that and not speak of it now that he's dead? How does that protect future generations from evil if we don't hold up examples?
For a Unitarian's discussion about sin, I really liked this: http://www.firstunitarianportland.org/se...chterm=sin
kiva
I sincerely appreciate the link and look forward to reading it. Sounds like an interesting perspective.
If somebody is that damn evil (he was about as evil as they come in my opinion), then why not just advocate for his outright murder? There are many more of his kind out there. Instead of waiting for him to die, have them killed. Falwell could have been dead al long time ago.
Falwell being dead doesn't mean shit. His kind of evil will continue unabated. You either get busy by thinking globally and acting locally, doing battle to present positive action to defend against those that threaten the greater good, or you succumb to their brand of destruction, degredation and intolerance.
Being happy at the demise of an evil, hurtful person is a natural, human response. You get beat on enough, virtually anyone will wish them dead. That's easy. What's not easy is to remember the evil, stand strong against it, fight for whats right by any legal means necessary, yet honor the life force that represents the original human core of that being. To not sully your own humanity through blind hatred.