05-14-2009, 04:03 PM
After slowly starting to wrap my head around the whole thing.
[spoiler=The two gents in the opening]
In the white shirt we had Jacob, and guy in black was not called by name.
Mr. Black definitely stated that Jacob was responsible for bringing the ship to the island and Jacob does not deny it. Mr. Black then says that Jacob is, "... still trying to prove me wrong." So even farther back than this Jacob has been brining people to the island.
They then talk about a repeating cycle of the people Jacob brings to the island, "They come, fight, they destroy, they corrupt." Note that he did not say 'they are corrupted, he said "they corrupt". Corrupt who exactly?[/spoiler]
[spoiler=The first big clue out of the gate.]
Mr. Black tells Jacob, "Do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you?" Jacob says, "Yes." and Mr. Black continues, "One of these days, sooner or later, we're going to find a loophole."
There's the big "loophole" reference which ties in such a big way to the later confrontation in the statue, but Mr. Black also refers to "we're going to find a loophole" not "I", "we". So I'm guessing Mr. Black is the leader of that time period's "Others".[/spoiler]
[spoiler=What's going on.]
In the finale we get the biggest use of the black and white theme yet. Jacob in white and his "opponent" in black. That moves me solidly into the 'chess metaphor' camp, and this must be the 'larger conflict', the "war" that has been talked about by some of the major players.
It looks to me that what has been going on is that in whatever game or struggle Jacob and Mr. Black are engage in, Jacob is somehow leaving he island to select the "pieces", the people, to be used. Once the pieces are on the board, it is then Mr. Black's challenge to move the pieces, by manipulating human nature, towards some specific end; one that Mr. Black seems to think is inevitable, but Jacob apparently thinks that isn't necessarily so.
Mr. Black: It always ends the same.
Jacob: It only ends once, everything before that is progress.
Mr. Black is, somehow, the Smoke Monster. His need to 'know' his pieces so he can maneuver them towards his end is the reason behind the Smoke Monster's probing of the past of an individual.
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Why?]
I have a feeling that how it "ends" always hinges on whether or not Jacob is "killed". Mr. Black isn't allowed to do it directly, he must manipulate one of his pieces into it; into 'capturing the king' in their game. Ben is just Mr. Black's latest pawn (Knight? Bishop? Rook?).
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=The Hatch redux?]
Juliette's dead? Maybe. But what happened the last time there was a huge release of "the energy" and someone frantically scrambled to pull a trigger that resulted in a huge flash and (some kind of) explosion (Hint: The door of The Hatch was blown sky high)?
Desmond ended up bouncing through time and space, finally landing naked in the jungle. Juliette may have a wild ride ahead of her. Maybe she'll run into Mrs. Hawking the elder too. Or, maybe the as yet unseen Mr. Hawking...
[/spoiler]
Man, do I feel sorry for people who haven't been able to stay onboard with Lost. Just the first five minutes of this finale alone made it all worth while, and that was just the appetizer. Jack and Sawyer in the jungle. Sawyer and Juliette's last scene. The backstory we get with Jacob.
What a terrific show. At least there's a million things to chew on during the long wait till next January. :thumbsup:
[spoiler=The two gents in the opening]
In the white shirt we had Jacob, and guy in black was not called by name.
Mr. Black definitely stated that Jacob was responsible for bringing the ship to the island and Jacob does not deny it. Mr. Black then says that Jacob is, "... still trying to prove me wrong." So even farther back than this Jacob has been brining people to the island.
They then talk about a repeating cycle of the people Jacob brings to the island, "They come, fight, they destroy, they corrupt." Note that he did not say 'they are corrupted, he said "they corrupt". Corrupt who exactly?[/spoiler]
[spoiler=The first big clue out of the gate.]
Mr. Black tells Jacob, "Do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you?" Jacob says, "Yes." and Mr. Black continues, "One of these days, sooner or later, we're going to find a loophole."
There's the big "loophole" reference which ties in such a big way to the later confrontation in the statue, but Mr. Black also refers to "we're going to find a loophole" not "I", "we". So I'm guessing Mr. Black is the leader of that time period's "Others".[/spoiler]
[spoiler=What's going on.]
In the finale we get the biggest use of the black and white theme yet. Jacob in white and his "opponent" in black. That moves me solidly into the 'chess metaphor' camp, and this must be the 'larger conflict', the "war" that has been talked about by some of the major players.
It looks to me that what has been going on is that in whatever game or struggle Jacob and Mr. Black are engage in, Jacob is somehow leaving he island to select the "pieces", the people, to be used. Once the pieces are on the board, it is then Mr. Black's challenge to move the pieces, by manipulating human nature, towards some specific end; one that Mr. Black seems to think is inevitable, but Jacob apparently thinks that isn't necessarily so.
Mr. Black: It always ends the same.
Jacob: It only ends once, everything before that is progress.
Mr. Black is, somehow, the Smoke Monster. His need to 'know' his pieces so he can maneuver them towards his end is the reason behind the Smoke Monster's probing of the past of an individual.
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Why?]
I have a feeling that how it "ends" always hinges on whether or not Jacob is "killed". Mr. Black isn't allowed to do it directly, he must manipulate one of his pieces into it; into 'capturing the king' in their game. Ben is just Mr. Black's latest pawn (Knight? Bishop? Rook?).
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=The Hatch redux?]
Juliette's dead? Maybe. But what happened the last time there was a huge release of "the energy" and someone frantically scrambled to pull a trigger that resulted in a huge flash and (some kind of) explosion (Hint: The door of The Hatch was blown sky high)?
Desmond ended up bouncing through time and space, finally landing naked in the jungle. Juliette may have a wild ride ahead of her. Maybe she'll run into Mrs. Hawking the elder too. Or, maybe the as yet unseen Mr. Hawking...
[/spoiler]
Man, do I feel sorry for people who haven't been able to stay onboard with Lost. Just the first five minutes of this finale alone made it all worth while, and that was just the appetizer. Jack and Sawyer in the jungle. Sawyer and Juliette's last scene. The backstory we get with Jacob.
What a terrific show. At least there's a million things to chew on during the long wait till next January. :thumbsup: