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Left light years behind the right in organizing
#11
Dakota, you can arguably claim that the 'occupy Wall Street' movement, which has become "Occupy Downtown", denotes a level of semi-organization of the classic fringe folk from the other party.

NPR was discussing the potential Obama strategy of using these kids energy to get himself re-elected next year... which is what worked in 2008.

While the TEA group was able to coalesce an element of the 'silent majority', they have fallen into disrepair by being fragmented by varying ideologies and opinions. In short, fringe political movements have ADHD, and get unfocused easily.
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#12
This thread is premised on the assertion that Occupy Wall street is an extreme liberal movement. Is it? I don't disagree that the left is feverishly trying to co-opt it, but that does not make it so.

http://www.boston.com/business/articles/...h_parties/
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#13
cbelt3 wrote:

NPR was discussing the potential Obama strategy of using these kids energy to get himself re-elected next year... which is what worked in 2008.

After 3 years Obama is a lot better known quantity so they are not going to fall for him again. In many ways Obama is everything those protestors are protesting about. He wines and dines with them and has dispensed some of his most prized jobs to them. You name one concrete action that can be taken to satisfy the protestors. Down with Capitalism is not a strategy.
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#14
My clever addition would be that, while Middle America has the TEA Party, the Coastie Liberal America has... more of a 60's style sit in without any coherent focus.

Getting these kids organized would be a lot like herding cats. Cats with ADHD smoking crack.

Of course if they use their cell phones (provided by evil corporate overlords) and Facebook (another evil corporate overlord) and Twitter (another evil corporate overlord) they might be able to get the local news and radio (also evil corporate overlords) to give them some publicity (if they hire clever evil corporate overlord marketing people to help them.)

Do they realize that if there actually WAS some sort of evil corporate conspiracy, none of that crap would work for them ? :biggrin:
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#15


Lift them buckets! Faster!
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#16
I think it hard to tell at this point what's going to happen with "Occupy Wall Street". It appears to be a pretty spontaneous and amorphous event where the participants are trying to feel their way towards a consensus about what it means and what to do next. It could easily all fall apart due to no cohesive thread pulling them together. It could fall apart but spin off into smaller groups that continue to be active. But I don't see any reason yet to conclude that there is no way that it can congeal into a significant political force. In general the economic elite in the country seem to have settled on it being the case that we have to put up with long term high unemployment while significantly reducing social safety net programs as being necessary to protect the value of their capital, and it isn't surprising in a democracy that a large group of people find that to be unacceptable.
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#17
Occupy Wall Street is no lefty party driven campaign. It's brought to you courtesy of the same Adbuster pranksters that brought you Buy Nothing Day .

In respect or at least deference to their advertisers the majority of the media ignores But Nothing Day , too.
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#18
Anybody who thinks this can have no effect needs to talk to Lyndon Johnson. This could turn out to accomplish what the Tea Party cannot.

This movement is 4 weeks old. The Tea Baggers hadn't had this sort of growth after 4 weeks. It is too soon to know what this will result in, if anything at all. Who can say?

This anger is aimed at Wall Street and is about money and jobs. It's not people whining about their taxes and then becoming Congressman so they can live off our tax dollars for the rest of their lives.
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#19
cbelt3 wrote:
My clever addition would be that, while Middle America has the TEA Party, the Coastie Liberal America has... more of a 60's style sit in without any coherent focus.

Getting these kids organized would be a lot like herding cats. Cats with ADHD smoking crack.

cbelt3, you raise some good points. IMHO, the Tea Party began as a disorganized group with unclear goals, but it successfully used the Internet, talk radio and even the MSM to quickly establish itself as a political force with a more tightly-tuned message. It organized into local cells and then jumped right into Republican politics: endorsing/working for preferred candidates, raising money and increasing voter turnout for Tea Party-friendly voters. They've followed the script that any other special interest group, right or left, has relied on over the years.

The OWS group seems more incoherent and disorganized, and all I can say is that they appear to be modeled after the Arab Spring protesters. Like the Arab Spring gang, OWS is overeducated and disenfranchised from the economic and political establishment (here is where they differ from the Tea Partiers, who are wealthier and more involved in politics than the average American according to surveys).

I don't think that the Arab revolutionaries knew what to do once their hated despots were toppled - they just wanted the corrupt b**tards gone. You can see that in the current chaos in places like Egypt. The OWS crowd seems to be following their lead.

The Tea Party really helped drive the debate in Washington for the past 2 years: just look at all of the talk about immigration crackdowns, challenges to the new healthcare law and bombast and threats re: federal spending. However, the Tea Party platform was helped by their direct involvement in getting their members elected. Will OWS eventually endorse candidates? Is it too early to tell? All I know is that they are bringing issues to the forefront that have generally been ignored by politicians, corporations and the MSM like a just economic system, the corrupting power of money in the political process and a general frustration with a public-private industrial complex that puts shareholders before citizens.

cbelt3 wrote: Of course if they use their cell phones (provided by evil corporate overlords) and Facebook (another evil corporate overlord) and Twitter (another evil corporate overlord) they might be able to get the local news and radio (also evil corporate overlords) to give them some publicity (if they hire clever evil corporate overlord marketing people to help them.)

Do they realize that if there actually WAS some sort of evil corporate conspiracy, none of that crap would work for them ? :biggrin:
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#20
The Tea Party became organized because the same folks who back the GOP began to back the Tea Party. It's been co-opted by the Same Old Same Old in an effort to use their followers for the GOP's purposes. Just ask the guy who started the movement if you don't believe me.

What you folks are interpreting as organization is in fact the gelding of the TP movement. Wake up and smell the coffee. :wiggle:
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