Frothy: Wimmen Folk And Combat...they get all emotional

[Grace62]

cbelt3 wrote:
Grace-
Those statements are exact statements made as excuses why women should not be allowed in the military. And have been debunked rather thoroughly. I'm rather amazed you bring them up.

I'll also point out that the incidence of sexual assault in the military (approximately 2,500 incidents in 2010) is statistically FAR less than the incidence of sexual assault in a similarly aged population, to wit, American college students.

Statistically approximately 1 in every 12 US women soldiers may experience actual or attempted sexual assault. (based on 2010 DOD statistics) Based on a separate 2000 study, approximately 1 in every 4 US women college students will experience actual or attempted sexual assault.

And yet Women's groups do not rush around insisting that women should not go to college, the way they insisted that women should not join military service. Why is that the case ?

You're generally a very accurate and reliable person with a strong advocate for the rights of your gender. Good for you. But you've gotten bad information.

(note that I drew these points based on about 5 minutes of fast googling actual reports and statistics, and NOT news media reports which repeat the same incorrect conclusions.)

Please provide links to the sources you used which are claiming that sexual assault is not a problem in the military.

[Grace62]

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/336/fact-ch...rauma.html


http://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-report-se...21550.html
"There has been a startling and consistent increase in violent sex crimes within the US Army since 2006, according to a new Pentagon report released Thursday.

It comes one day after Defense Secretary Leon Panetta vowed to reduce the number of sexual assaults within the military, calling the numbers “unacceptable.” He announced that the Pentagon was preparing a series of new initiatives in an effort to try to curb the assaults."

[davester]

cbelt3 wrote:
Grace-
Those statements are exact statements made as excuses why women should not be allowed in the military. And have been debunked rather thoroughly. I'm rather amazed you bring them up.

I'll also point out that the incidence of sexual assault in the military (approximately 2,500 incidents in 2010) is statistically FAR less than the incidence of sexual assault in a similarly aged population, to wit, American college students.

Statistically approximately 1 in every 12 US women soldiers may experience actual or attempted sexual assault. (based on 2010 DOD statistics) Based on a separate 2000 study, approximately 1 in every 4 US women college students will experience actual or attempted sexual assault.

And yet Women's groups do not rush around insisting that women should not go to college, the way they insisted that women should not join military service. Why is that the case ?

You're generally a very accurate and reliable person with a strong advocate for the rights of your gender. Good for you. But you've gotten bad information.

(note that I drew these points based on about 5 minutes of fast googling actual reports and statistics, and NOT news media reports which repeat the same incorrect conclusions.)

I'm highly skeptical of your statistics. How about providing some links so we can see if they are truly comparable.

[Gutenberg]

Those statistics are frequently kicked around, but do not take into account that college women on most campuses are actually encouraged to report sexual assault—the opposite of the culture in the military, where sexual contact between members is very likely to end one or both of their careers. Because of that I don't know if the statistics are comparable.

[Grace62]

"Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said there were 3,191 sexual assaults reported in the military last year, which would be a slight increase from the 3,158 reported in 2010. But he said that because so few victims report the crime, the real number is closer to 19,000 assaults."

Jan. 18, 2012
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...=145413516

[Grace62]

And yet Women's groups do not rush around insisting that women should not go to college, the way they insisted that women should not join military service. Why is that the case ?

Which "women's groups" insisted that women should not join the military?

"Women's groups" are the ones who pushed for women to have the right to serve.

[mrbigstuff]

I'm not sure about the military, but with cops, they definitely have a thing for protecting female officers.

to wit:
http://www.telegram.com/article/20100123.../FRONTPAGE

Mr. Howe was a passenger in a truck that came up to a sobriety checkpoint on Route 114 in North Andover on Nov. 25. According to the Essex district attorney’s office, a state trooper saw Mr. Howe “making furtive movements,” and another passenger in the truck told police Mr. Howe had lighted a marijuana cigarette a short time before and was trying to extinguish it.

Police asked Mr. Howe to get out, but he allegedly jumped out of a window, hit a female trooper and ran off.

Once they realized it was a checkpoint, Mr. Howe tried to put out the marijuana cigarette and put on his seat belt. Ms. King said authorities dragged Mr. Howe out of the car. The driver told her after that the female trooper yelled out she had been assaulted.

[$tevie]

I think Santorum got unique mixed up with ubiquitous, which I still don't think is correct but at least it is less incorrect.

[Grace62]

$tevie wrote:
I think Santorum got unique mixed up with ubiquitous, which I still don't think is correct but at least it is less incorrect.

That would make sense. That speech he gave yesterday at CPAC was delivered pretty badly all around.

[J Marston]

Without getting overly involved in this thread, there is a common meme here that needs to be excised. The idea that 1 in 4 women will experience a sexual assault in college is entirely bogus: it would suggest that American colleges are more dangerous than the slums in Rio. It is derived from a study that asked women about certain behaviors, and the researcher then defined them as assaults, whether the respondent did or not. (For instance: a lot of women said that they'd had intercourse when they didn't really want to. That was defined as a rape. The main reason why they gave in was persistent asking by their sexual partner which, I think many agree, is a pretty common behavior.)

The true number is something closer to 21/100,000, with some studies showing slightly higher and some slightly lower rates. In the U.S. military, sexual assault is measured In full percentages, and 15% of female vets report some kind of sexual assault (though the rape rate is much much lower).