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Trump can be found guilty by the House. What they can't do is remove him from office, but the impeachment vote would stand, and it's important.
If we're saying that Presidents are only accountable if their own party holds the Senate, we're in deep dodo as a nation.
Somebody said that Pelosi is trying to do "impeachment lite" by going after Barr instead of Trump, and I think that's a good description. It's also a major dereliction of duty to the American people.
I get that Dems are screwed either way. We have the most corrupt person ever to hold the office but also one who has played the political game so brilliantly and surrounded himself with so many sycophants as well as holding his party hostage
We've just been outplayed but I'm not of the opinion that surrender is the best option now.
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Lemon Drop wrote:
Trump can be found guilty by the House. What they can't do is remove him from office, but the impeachment vote would stand, and it's important.
If we're saying that Presidents are only accountable if their own party holds the Senate, we're in deep dodo as a nation.
Somebody said that Pelosi is trying to do "impeachment lite" by going after Barr instead of Trump, and I think that's a good description. It's also a major dereliction of duty to the American people.
I get that Dems are screwed either way. We have the most corrupt person ever to hold the office but also one who has played the political game so brilliantly and surrounded himself with so many sycophants as well as holding his party hostage
We've just been outplayed but I'm not of the opinion that surrender is the best option now.
I agree the "act" of impeaching the president is important. I don't think it's a lock that 1: The votes are there and 2: That we've unearthed what we still can to bolster the process. We're further down the hole today. Since impeachment is basically a one shot deal, we can max the case out first. I don't believe he'll finish his term without the impeachment process.
Pelosi always knows her votes and she also knows her agenda regarding what she plans to accomplish.
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FWIW... The House votes to impeach. A simple majority does it. The Senate then convenes a trial. A guilty verdict in the Senate with 2/3 majority is required to remove Trump from office.
Thus sayeth the US Constitution:
Article 1, Section 2, Clause 5:
"The House of Representatives shall choose their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment."
Article 1, Section 3, Clause 6:
"The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present."
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Pelosi’s statement of Trump moving closer to self-impeachment is both apropos as well as something any decent poker player could hope for.
Trump doesn’t back down, he doubles down. Everything’s a contradiction. Mueller’s report “exonerated” him, even though it could not. Barr did so, even though it wasn’t his call to make. Barr claims cooperation except does not. His hands are tied because of the imaginary ropes he’s placed on them.
Congressional Republicans claim its all being done by Democrats to make people LOOK BAD.
To look bad, yeah that’s what we care about. Appearances. Not accountability, consequences. Nope. We just want to make Trump and Barr and whoever else look bad. We must be stopped!
Any conservatives wanna try to defend any of these actions?
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Nobody believes a problem drinker running to his bedroom screaming, "You didn't find any vodka in the freezer, so I'm still sober! Stop saying you have to look everywhere - I already proved it!"
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Nobody believes a problem drinker running to his bedroom screaming, "You didn't find any vodka in the freezer, so I'm still sober! Stop saying you have to look everywhere - I already proved it!"
Except this isn't a problem drinker, it is Donald Trump, and 35% of people believe literally anything he says despite evidence to the contrary. Not only that, but the majority of the United State Senate are Trump enablers.
The only thing I have seen that is positive in this regard is that 50% of Fox News viewers now don't believe Trump when he says he was exonerated by the Mueller report.
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Only 1.5% of the version of the Mueller report made available to Nadler and other congressional leaders is redacted, the DOJ said in the letter. Those portions are redacted only for grand jury information, which is prohibited from release by law.
The DOJ reiterated the fact that revealing the remaining redacted parts of the report would be illegal, in a Wednesday letter to Nadler that informed him that Trump will assert executive privilege over the information. “As we have repeatedly explained, the Attorney General could not comply with your subpoena in its current form without violating the law, court rules, and court orders, and without threatening the independence of the Department of Justice’s prosecutorial functions,” the letter said.
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The Mueller Report will not save us.
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Bernie
That 1.5% figure refers to Volume II of the Report. Did you forget about what Congress is actually asking for? I’ll give you a hint: They are not asking for the protected 1.5%
Here’s an assessment from that highly partisan, biased bastion of a liberalism, The National Review: https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/m...democrats/
It’s also helpful to learn why Republicans complaining, “Democrats haven’t even bothered to read the less-redacted version ... “ is disingenuous.
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Bernie wrote:
Only 1.5% of the version of the Mueller report made available to Nadler and other congressional leaders is redacted, the DOJ said in the letter. Those portions are redacted only for grand jury information, which is prohibited from release by law.
The DOJ reiterated the fact that revealing the remaining redacted parts of the report would be illegal, in a Wednesday letter to Nadler that informed him that Trump will assert executive privilege over the information. “As we have repeatedly explained, the Attorney General could not comply with your subpoena in its current form without violating the law, court rules, and court orders, and without threatening the independence of the Department of Justice’s prosecutorial functions,” the letter said.
Yes, those laws apply to public release of that information. The argument has been made in the past, and upheld in court, that Congress in its investigative and oversight functions can have access to that kind of information. Hence it would not be illegal for them to be given that material.
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