Do NOT help anyone, really

[Racer X]

Acer wrote:
[quote=Smote]
[quote=Mr645]
How do we keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

keep them behind bars so they can't get to the firearms? The DC police chief that said the average criminal gets arrested 11 times before they commit their first murder. Maybe don't give them a chance to get to 11? Stop at maybe 2 or 3?

https://www.police1.com/chiefs-sheriffs/...ER0WQuAiA/

The impetus for most crime is low education and poverty. That is why it is so rampant in the worst parts of many major inner cities. THAT is what we need to work on.

"Gun death rates are consistently higher in rural areas than in big cities, two decades of data show. From 2011 to 2020, the most rural counties in the U.S. had a 37% higher rate of gun deaths per capita than the most urban counties, according to research published Wednesday in the journal JAMA Surgery. That's up from a 25% difference from 2000 to 2010." https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-ne...-rcna81462

That said, getting shot on the subway is indeed pretty rare in rural America.
what you quoted doesn't invalidate what I said. The most rural of counties are filled with poverty and the uneducated, of course those specific counties will have a higher crime rate. But the firearms didn't cause the ignorance, did they?

If you correlate number of guns per capita, cities are far more dangerous than rural areas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1136Ou7p8M

When he talks about 1.5% of the streets..... Look up O Street in Chicago as an example.

"Poverty is the mother of crime" Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius

[Mr645]

Speedy wrote:
[quote=Mr645]
How do we keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

Ban private ownership. Confiscate those guns out there now. Repeal the 2nd.
But then only criminals have guns. Kind of misses the point

[Mr645]

Smote wrote:
[quote=Mr645]
How do we keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

keep them behind bars so they can't get to the firearms? The DC police chief that said the average criminal gets arrested 11 times before they commit their first murder. Maybe don't give them a chance to get to 11? Stop at maybe 2 or 3?

https://www.police1.com/chiefs-sheriffs/...ER0WQuAiA/

The impetus for most crime is low education and poverty. That is why it is so rampant in the worst parts of many major inner cities. THAT is what we need to work on.

Sounds like a plan. Perhaps create economic opportunity zones to encourage businesses to invest in inner cities, create options for economic success besides criminal activity. And support for Educational support and HBCUs. Additional funding for police to help provide safe & secure places to live.
Keep criminals off the streets. Mandatory jail time for those convicted of using a firearm to commit a crime

[Tiangou]

Mr645 wrote:
[quote=Speedy]
[quote=Mr645]
How do we keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

Ban private ownership. Confiscate those guns out there now. Repeal the 2nd.
But then only criminals have guns. Kind of misses the point
Kind of the point.

[Racer X]

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are
neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Can it be supposed that
those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity...will
respect the less important and arbitrary ones... Such laws make things worse
for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to
encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with
greater confidence than an armed man."

Cesare Beccaria

[mrbigstuff]

Thanks for posting gadje. This is extremely sad and disturbing, I agree.

[Acer]

How do the poor and poorly educated get their hands on guns so easily?

[SDGuy]

Acer wrote:
How do the poor and poorly educated get their hands on guns so easily?

My prediction: expect more of this in the future; with the rise of 3D printing, nearly anyone can now make a Glock clone. The way current laws are written, a firearm is the "receiver". For pistols like a Glock, that means the plastic "handle" part, which can readily be 3D printed. Everything else needed to make a functioning pistol (most importantly, all the metal parts) can be bought through the mail by anyone - since they are not, legally, a firearm.

There have been increasing stories in the news of teenagers caught doing just that, and selling the completed pistols to whoever will give them the $, and also of police catching criminals with these types of firearms. Until the laws are changed, it is incredibly easy, with a relatively low cost of entry, for anyone to make semi-automatic pistols. If that anyone has no moral qualms over who is giving them the $, then you can see where this leads.

[DeusxMac]

Smote wrote:
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[DeusxMac]

Smote wrote:
If you correlate number of guns per capita, cities are far more dangerous than rural areas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1136Ou7p8M

When he talks about 1.5% of the streets..... Look up O Street in Chicago as an example.

Tom Grieve - “… served as speaker at the University of Wisconsin Law School on behalf of the Federalist Society concerning the 2nd Amendment…”

” The Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy Studies is an American conservative and libertarian legal organization that advocates for a textualist and originalist interpretation of the U.S. Constitution.”