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$20 minimum wage for California fast food workers starts today
#11
hal wrote:
[quote=Filliam H. Muffman]
I saw a news clip with a comment from the guy that runs Cinnabon, said they might close due to the added costs. Boo hoo, you won't be able to buy two more mansions this year.


There are a lot of reasons a franchise could go under other than having to pay workers more. If the demand for Cinnabons in that location was barely enough to keep things going then the added labor cost could tip it over, but food businesses on the brink go under way more often than survive much less prosper (so much competition) for a huge variety of reasons so it's hardly fair to blame the pay raise alone for any one situation.
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#12
what is the main problem most lower income folks have with meeting their expenses? in other words, what is their biggest expense?

(not a rhetorical question)
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#13
Filliam H. Muffman wrote:
I saw a news clip with a comment from the guy that runs Cinnabon, said they might close due to the added costs. Boo hoo, you won't be able to buy two more mansions this year.

"Roark Capital Management, LLC, also known as Roark Capital Group or simply Roark Capital, is an American private equity firm with around $37 billion in assets under management. The firm is focused on leveraged buyout investments in middle-market companies, primarily in the franchise/multi-location, restaurant and food, health and wellness, and business services sectors. It is named for Howard Roark, the protagonist in Ayn Rand's novel The Fountainhead."

"The firm says that its name is not meant to connote any particular political philosophy but instead signify the firm's admiration for the iconoclastic qualities of independence and self-assurance embodied by the central figure in The Fountainhead."


Yeah, right. :RollingEyesSmiley5:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roark_Capi...nvestments
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#14
mrbigstuff wrote:
what is the main problem most lower income folks have with meeting their expenses? in other words, what is their biggest expense?

(not a rhetorical question)

The thing we're not going to create is affordable housing.
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#15
vision63 wrote:
[quote=mrbigstuff]
what is the main problem most lower income folks have with meeting their expenses? in other words, what is their biggest expense?

(not a rhetorical question)

The thing we're not going to create is affordable housing.
right. and why aren't you (we) (i) going to do that ?
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#16
mrbigstuff wrote:
[quote=vision63]
[quote=mrbigstuff]
what is the main problem most lower income folks have with meeting their expenses? in other words, what is their biggest expense?

(not a rhetorical question)

The thing we're not going to create is affordable housing.
right. and why aren't you (we) (i) going to do that ?
Because the Real Estate Development community is way smarter than the Political community. They make them believe they're getting what "they" want while ultimately getting what the Development community wants. Market rate cha-ching.
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#17
vision63 wrote:
[quote=mrbigstuff]
[quote=vision63]
[quote=mrbigstuff]
what is the main problem most lower income folks have with meeting their expenses? in other words, what is their biggest expense?

(not a rhetorical question)

The thing we're not going to create is affordable housing.
right. and why aren't you (we) (i) going to do that ?
Because the Real Estate Development community is way smarter than the Political community. They make them believe they're getting what "they" want while ultimately getting what the Development community wants. Market rate cha-ching.
this is not incorrect, but it's a simplistic answer. why were we able to build after the Depression? why were we able to build after WWII? during the '60s and '70s?
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#18
mrbigstuff wrote:
[quote=vision63]
[quote=mrbigstuff]
[quote=vision63]
[quote=mrbigstuff]
what is the main problem most lower income folks have with meeting their expenses? in other words, what is their biggest expense?

(not a rhetorical question)

The thing we're not going to create is affordable housing.
right. and why aren't you (we) (i) going to do that ?
Because the Real Estate Development community is way smarter than the Political community. They make them believe they're getting what "they" want while ultimately getting what the Development community wants. Market rate cha-ching.
this is not incorrect, but it's a simplistic answer. why were we able to build after the Depression? why were we able to build after WWII? during the '60s and '70s?
When I was born, the U.S population was 179 million (a year after actually). In 1945 the population was 139 million. Urban vs Rural was about 50%.

Since then just like any third world country, the peasants have moved to the cities to work, etc. Now those cities are packed full of people and there's little room to just build. You have to tear something down to build something else. That's not easy because the places people want to tear down to build upon, a lot of people want it to stay the same. There's your battleground.

Back in the old days, it was all about "progress" and build build build. There weren't enough people to fill out what was being built. They had to lure people.

Now, they don't have to lure people. But you don't make money on "affordable," which costs a ton to build and subsidize.

In my state, everybody is trying to live "here." It's full. That makes it a difficult challenge to overcome.

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#19
not just all that, but for many years the number of new people moving to CA outstripped the number of new dwelling built. It was like that year after year and then Paradise, CA burned up and suddenly 20000 more people were looking for a place to live.

The supply/demand in housing has been wrecked ever since.

The cost of a crappy 1 room studio rental in Sacramento has literally doubled in 10 years.
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#20
it is *not* full. hardly. but I agree with everything else you wrote.

how to overcome that? it's not what used to happen. we used to welcome the influx as we had jobs for people. now, most of our jobs don't necessarily produce a "product" but rather satisfy a "service," hence the service economy. yet, we still do produce lots and CA is the farm for the country.

there are lots of permutations of the "answer" to this question, and none are entirely correct or incorrect. we have to do all of it, and then some. we have to win the population game, it's how we will survive as a nation and a collection of people from disparate backgrounds.
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