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Recommend a Firewire Drive Enclosure - SATA Drive - Swappable?
#11
Hi,

Thanks everyone, especially Gareth!

I haven't made a decision yet but here is another option:
http://www.macgurus.com/productpages/firewire/MB559.php

Any further suggestions are welcome.

When I make a decision I'll post it here.

Thanks Again!

Mitch
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#12
didnt that ICYdock come in a 4 bay for like $150?

found it for $130

http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=203452712
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#13
Hi,

Someone is going to purchase a Seritek 2 Bay enclosure and card for me to use now so we can use the same drives on two systems to colaborate on a project we are working on together so I am holding off on the purchase (will use the borrowed Seritek while I have it) for now.

When the time comes it will probably be the Icydock model with FW800 or the Weibetech RTX100-Q or RTX100H-Q.

This is the Icydock with FW800:
http://www.macgurus.com/productpages/firewire/MB559.php
or for less here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...6817198006
Original Price: $ $99.99 - You Save: $45.00
($79.99 after $20.00 Mail-In

This is the Weibetech (RTX100-Q or RTX100H-Q):
http://www.wiebetech.com/products/RTX100.php
Upgrade to RTX100H-Q and get the All-Metal Bay!

The RTX100-Q is available for around $170 (Google). Not sure if the All-Metal Bay is necessary. Since I will need three trays for the Icydock at about $20 per tray the cost difference is not that much.

I think the decision boils down to I prefer the trayless system (Weibetech). On the other hand if it will run cool enough I would prefer quiet of the fanless unit (Icydock). Since it is mainly for Time Machine backups, which should be short intermittent use the fanless will probably be OK in terms of coolness. So quiet or fanless is the decision.

[quote laarree]I'm getting a Wiebetech RTX100H-Q-0 delivered on Tuesday--will give a report here.
I did it so I could swap SATA drives easily for offsite backups (among other purposes).
Also will be getting some of their handy-dandy Driveboxes at the same time. http://www.wiebetech.com/products/cases.php
Laarree, please do post back. I am particularly interested in how noisy the fan is. Also how you like the Driveboxes.

Thanks Everyone!

Mitch
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#14
[quote MitchJi]When the time comes it will probably be the Icydock model with FW800 or the Weibetech RTX100-Q or RTX100H-Q.....

This is the Weibetech (RTX100-Q or RTX100H-Q):
http://www.wiebetech.com/products/RTX100.php
Upgrade to RTX100H-Q and get the All-Metal Bay!

The RTX100-Q is available for around $170 (Google). Not sure if the All-Metal Bay is necessary. Since I will need three trays for the Icydock at about $20 per tray the cost difference is not that much.

I think the decision boils down to I prefer the trayless system (Weibetech). On the other hand if it will run cool enough I would prefer quiet of the fanless unit (Icydock). Since it is mainly for Time Machine backups, which should be short intermittent use the fanless will probably be OK in terms of coolness. So quiet or fanless is the decision.

[quote laarree]I'm getting a Wiebetech RTX100H-Q-0 delivered on Tuesday--will give a report here.
I did it so I could swap SATA drives easily for offsite backups (among other purposes).
Also will be getting some of their handy-dandy Driveboxes at the same time. http://www.wiebetech.com/products/cases.php
Laarree, please do post back. I am particularly interested in how noisy the fan is. Also how you like the Driveboxes.

Thanks Everyone!

Mitch
So I've had the Wiebetech RTX100H-Q-0 since this past Monday.
The enclosure is large and heavy compared to the OWC Mercury and
Mercury elite units I have sitting nearby, probably because of its sturdy
metal construction, the internal fan and the latch mechanism that
enables you to insert and eject SATA drives. Inserting and ejecting
drives is pretty effortless--just pull the latch and pop a drive in or pull it out.
The fan is pretty quiet though audible--I have the unit positioned about
18" from my left ear. It's definitely louder than the noise my Mac Pro
makes. I'll probably reposition it soon. The enclosure stays very cool to the
touch when in use compared to the fanless OWC enclosures, which get warm
but not uncomfortably so. Installation was easy and plug-an-play. I now
have the unit serving as my Time Machine backup until I get some more bare
SATA drives, when it will serve more purposes. I'm using FW800 interface,
and file transfer speed is as you would expect with FW800 and a very new
hard drive. All in all, I don't know how necessary getting the metal unit was
as opposed to the plastic enclosure, but it is attractive and sturdily-built.
I'm puzzled by the utility of the lock and key for it, and find it clumsy to turn
the key all the way so as to lock the drive in.

The DriveBoxes are similar to VHS cassette clamshells. There are clips
inside that keep your drive away from the edges of the box and hold it
rigidly in place. I find the boxes somewhat clumsy to open because I keep
my fingernails trimmed very close to my fingers-- slightly longer fingernails
definitely would make the external clips easier to pop open. The boxes come
with a label sheet inside so you can label your box and an inexplicable piece
of adhesive-backed black foam which I suppose can be used inside the case
for cushioning a drive. The boxes are only slightly larger than a bare SATA
hard drive--perhaps an inch longer and a half-inch wider, so I like the size.

All in all, while these products don't reach my niggling standards for utter
perfection, they are as I expected, and I'll be keeping them.
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#15
[quote laarree]

So I've had the Wiebetech RTX100H-Q-0 since this past Monday.
The enclosure is large and heavy compared to the OWC Mercury and
Mercury elite units I have sitting nearby, probably because of its sturdy
metal construction, the internal fan and the latch mechanism that
enables you to insert and eject SATA drives. Inserting and ejecting
drives is pretty effortless--just pull the latch and pop a drive in or pull it out.
The fan is pretty quiet though audible--I have the unit positioned about
18" from my left ear. It's definitely louder than the noise my Mac Pro
makes. I'll probably reposition it soon. The enclosure stays very cool to the
touch when in use compared to the fanless OWC enclosures, which get warm
but not uncomfortably so. Installation was easy and plug-an-play. I now
have the unit serving as my Time Machine backup until I get some more bare
SATA drives, when it will serve more purposes.

I'm using FW800 interface, and file transfer speed is as you would expect with FW800
and a very new hard drive. All in all, I don't know how necessary getting the metal unit
was as opposed to the plastic enclosure, but it is attractive and sturdily-built.

The DriveBoxes are similar to VHS cassette clamshells. There are clips
inside that keep your drive away from the edges of the box and hold it
rigidly in place. I find the boxes somewhat clumsy to open because I keep
my fingernails trimmed very close to my fingers-- slightly longer fingernails
definitely would make the external clips easier to pop open. The boxes come
with a label sheet inside so you can label your box and an inexplicable piece
of adhesive-backed black foam which I suppose can be used inside the case
for cushioning a drive. The boxes are only slightly larger than a bare SATA
hard drive--perhaps an inch longer and a half-inch wider, so I like the size.
Hi Larree,

Thanks for your post. I am strongly considering purchasing one of these cases.

I also plan on using it with a Mac Pro, almost exclusively for TM Backups (which should be a small percent of the time).

I just called them and was told that the drive spins down when its not in use (TM not backing up) and when the Mac is sleeping. Please let me know if that is incorrect.

He said the fan is always on (makes me lean towards the IcyDock)>

He said the "All Metal Bay" model has some rubber cushioning between the drive and the case and the door is metal.

I am thinking of looking for high quality Video Tape Cases both for Bare Drives and for our Seritek drives in the trays. Wiebe Tech calls their cases "Anti-Static Drive Cases". Is there any provision for Anti Static other than the fact that the case is made of plastic?

Thanks!

Mitch
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#16
I too confirmed with Wiebetech that the fan always spins. It is pretty quiet though.
The drive does go to sleep when the Mac is asleep. You can, of course, dismount
the drive and turn off the power when not in use.

The DriveBoxes are black plastic which I assume is the anti-static material that
allows them to call these boxes "anti-static". There isn't anything else. If you
seal a drive tightly inside an anti-static bag and put that inside the box, I guess
that would provide extra protection, though I don't know how necessary it is.
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#17
[quote laarree]I too confirmed with Wiebetech that the fan always spins. It is pretty quiet though.
The drive does go to sleep when the Mac is asleep. You can, of course, dismount
the drive and turn off the power when not in use.

The DriveBoxes are black plastic which I assume is the anti-static material that
allows them to call these boxes "anti-static". There isn't anything else. If you
seal a drive tightly inside an anti-static bag and put that inside the box, I guess
that would provide extra protection, though I don't know how necessary it is.
Hi Larry,

Thanks you very much!

I wanted to know if I use cases designed for video tapes if I should add anything to achieve the same level of protection so I am glad I don't.

Still not sure which to get. I really like the Trayless but I would really prefer fanless.

Thanks Again!

Mitch
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#18
Hi,

I think I'm going to get this drive enclosure:
http://www.wiebetech.com/products/RTX100...oductspecs
http://www.wiebetech.com/products/specsh...J_spec.php
RTX100-SJ -- (no fan)
* 1 TrayFree bay, external enclosure
* Affordable, sleek black enclosure
* Comes with a stand for vertical use
* Single eSATA port, Single USB2 port
* Up to 65 MB/s (via eSATA)
* Lockable bay with a key

The plusses:
$99 price
no tray (I will be using it with 4 or 5 drives which at $20 a pop adds up)
no fan
Minus:
no FW (I really wanted FW800) but I need to get a eSATA card anyway

The one remaining potential issue before I make a final decision is if I do this I will need to occasionally swap the eSATA cable to another enclosure.

How hard is it to swap eSata cables (the older SATA cables are like pulling teeth)?

Thanks (Again)!
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#19
I've never used eSATA, but plugging and unplugging the supplied eSATA cable
into and from the RTX100H-Q is as easy as it is with a Firewire cable or USB cable.

The specs for the SJ that I saw in your links say that it has a "4cm Ball Bearing Fan".
Is there really a fanless version? The SJs also seem to lack a shock-absorbing bay--
if you look at http://www.wiebetech.com/products/RTX100...oductspecs , you'll
see that for the RTX100-Q/RTX100H-Qs and the RTX100-INT/RTX100H-INTs
(sadly, not compatible with Mac cases), this spec is clearly highlighted, but not so
for the SJs.

I got the H-Q because I didn't want to install an eSATA PCI Express card without
having a great need for one, i.e. if for some reason I needed to be running a RAID
with maximum performance. For my backup purposes, I found being able to hook
it up to my previously-existing chain of Firewire 800 externals to be very convenient.
I do, however, like the option that I could use eSATA in the future if I do get an eSATA
card.
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#20
Hi Larry,

Thanks for posting about the fan. I think the spec's on the web are probably incorrect as I got the following in an email from Weibetech:
If you have a Mac that can connect via eSATA, look at the RTX-SJ. It does not have a fan.

But thanks for the heads up. I postponed placing an order until I get a confirmation on the fan.

I just got the following via email:
Sorry for the confusion. No fan. I opened one up to be sure. There is no place on the back to vent one out. The specs are wrong and I have alerted our webmaster. Thank you for your diligence!

Sorry for the confusion. No fan. I opened one up to be sure. There is no place on the back to vent one out. The specs are wrong and I have alerted our webmaster. Thank you for your diligence!


When I questioned him, about the exact differences between the standard model and the "All Metal Bay" model he said one difference is that the "All Metal Bay" has some rubber cushioning between the drive and the case and the door is metal. This implies that the RTX100-Q doesn't have the shock-absorbing bay but only the RTX100H-Q.

I just ordered a U-matic video cassette case (obsolete format) that I think will fit a drive plus tray. The inside dimensions are just a fraction of an inch under 9 1/2" x 6 1/2" by 1 1/4" with two hubs. If anyone is interested I will post back how it works.

Thanks Again,

Mitch
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