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billb wrote:
That's "real life" data. Consumer report Readers data.
That's data CR collected.
All that means is Consumer Reports has a readership that apparently favors those autos. No kidding.
No, it doesn't mean that at all. The CR surveys are very objective. They ask about each car or major appliance you have owned since new and then have very specific questionaires regarding which systems required repairs on those cars. There is no "Do you like your Toyota" subjective questions. It is irrelevant what the readership owns since it is the repair rates on individual parts of individual cars that are summed up to get a reliability estimate. I think CR does a crappy job on a lot of things (by often measuring irrelevant aspects of a product's performance while ignoring critical aspects, but for cars I don't think there's really any way to beat their methodology.
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My 1966 VW Bug just keeps on going, and going, and going.....
In contrast the wifes 1966 Mustang has needed FAR more in the way of maintenance and repairs over the course of it's lifetime, even though it only has about half as many miles on on it.
Your mileage may, of course, vary....
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CR asks whom ?
Just CR readers is a rather small subset of car owners. And a niche one besides.
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Interesting that Nissan doesn't appear on any of the lists. I've had a 1998 Sentra since it was new, all it's needed in 11 years was oil changes, a new battery, wiper blades, air filter, tires, and front brakes. Very reliable, also low mileage, only 53,000 miles.
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maybe if they stopped putting switches in the door panels where they get rained on, and move them to the center console like the older jaguars, the cars would be more reliable. This goes for ALL cars. Manual windows, and manual door locks last for decades, and won't go bad if they get wet......
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And it's a voluntary poll - completely unscientific. It's biased towards the people who sent in their surveys (I forgot to this year) and towards the people who subscribe to CR. Nevertheless, let's say they get more responses for Toyotas than Buicks, the repair rate will still be per capita and therefore valid to compare between the brands. With the caveats I (and others) previously mentioned.
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Racer X wrote:
maybe if they stopped putting switches in the door panels where they get rained on, and move them to the center console like the older jaguars, the cars would be more reliable. This goes for ALL cars. Manual windows, and manual door locks last for decades, and won't go bad if they get wet......
Jaguar electrics as models of reliability? Were they Lucas brand by any chance? I have had to deal with a lot of broken manual windows over the years. Cables, cranks and pulleys break too.
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Racer X wrote:
when you think of a vehicle like a loaded cadillac, it probably has 2-3 times more individual components that a basic Kia, so of course the failure rates should be higher.
You get a brand new 1969 Dodge Dart with no options, there are damn few parts to fail.
Then why did they still manage to fail quite often enough, thank you very much Dodge?
(Ex-Dodge Dart driver)
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Harbourmaster, are you saying that you and your wife both have the cars you bought in 1966? Are they your only cars?
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Dakota wrote:
[quote=Racer X]
maybe if they stopped putting switches in the door panels where they get rained on, and move them to the center console like the older jaguars, the cars would be more reliable. This goes for ALL cars. Manual windows, and manual door locks last for decades, and won't go bad if they get wet......
Jaguar electrics as models of reliability? Were they Lucas brand by any chance? I have had to deal with a lot of broken manual windows over the years. Cables, cranks and pulleys break too.
I never commented on the reliability of their switches, just the common sense location of them. My mom's BMW 5 series cars had the switches on the console too.
I've got 3 35-40 year old Buicks, and all my manual door locks and manual windows still work. Heck, the power top in my '72 Skylark is all original and never been taken apart.
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