L.O.S.T. Season Finale thread

[DaviDC.]

Wow! What an ending!

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Jacob certainly got around.
I take it that was the Blackthorn Jacob & his pal were looking at that later becomes the shipwreck on the island?
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[rgG]

Great episode. [spoiler=My spoilers...]
I think the guy on the beach with Jacob is probably the smoke monster and he is the one wreaking all the havoc. It seems that he and Jacob are locked in some sort of eternal battle and Smokie keeps bringing in people to the island either for his amusement or as a way to kill Jacob.

That was a great way to answer the how did Locke come back to life question. Who are these people that Jacob got to come to the island and who know who Richard/Ricardus is? And now I need to look for somewhere on the web that has translated what the heck Richard said to her as the answer to the riddle.
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[iaJim]

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So Widmore and Ben are not the first pair to be in competition on this island! Jacob and the unnamed man certainly had a grudge.

Loop hole.....the loop of ashes around the cabin had a hole.

Maybe Claire, Christian and any of the other dead who have come to life are merely doubles created the same way living John has been.
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[rgG]

[spoiler=Smokie]
OK, I think Smokie (the smoke monster) can only take the form of dead people who are actually on the island, that is why is was so important to him that John die and be brought back to the island.

We are not sure that Claire is dead, in fact, I think she isn't because the smoke monster, as Christian, was in the room with Claire in one scene, and I don't think he could be two people at once.
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Also I liked the way Rose, Bernard and the dog were handled.

[Marc Anthony]

Tonight's episode was great.

[spoiler=Regarding Smokie]
If Jacob's nemesis is the smoke monster, I don't believe it is responsible for bringing people to the island. The gent's comments to Jacob—at the beginning of the episode—was that he, Jacob, was bringing the people on the boat (Black Rock?). The guy seemed to have nothing but contempt for visitors.
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[Blankity Blank]

I'm going to have to go back and watch it again, but wasn't the guy Jacob was talking to on the beach in the beginning wearing a black shirt? Black like Smoky? That kind of makes me go, hmmmmmm...

[rgG]

Marc Anthony wrote:
Tonight's episode was great.

[spoiler=Regarding Smokie]
If Jacob's nemesis is the smoke monster, I don't believe it is responsible for bringing people to the island. The gent's comments to Jacob—at the beginning of the episode—was that he, Jacob, was bringing the people on the boat (Black Rock?). The guy seemed to have nothing but contempt for visitors.
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[spoiler=You may be right about Smokie ...]
I was trying to remember which one had brought the people to the island. You may be right about Jacob being the one bringing the people, since he was the one the went to see Sawyer and Kate when they were children and the one that was there when Sayid's wife was killed and John fell out of the window.
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[Blankity Blank]

After slowly starting to wrap my head around the whole thing.
[spoiler=The two gents in the opening]
In the white shirt we had Jacob, and guy in black was not called by name.

Mr. Black definitely stated that Jacob was responsible for bringing the ship to the island and Jacob does not deny it. Mr. Black then says that Jacob is, "... still trying to prove me wrong." So even farther back than this Jacob has been brining people to the island.

They then talk about a repeating cycle of the people Jacob brings to the island, "They come, fight, they destroy, they corrupt." Note that he did not say 'they are corrupted, he said "they corrupt". Corrupt who exactly?[/spoiler]

[spoiler=The first big clue out of the gate.]
Mr. Black tells Jacob, "Do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you?" Jacob says, "Yes." and Mr. Black continues, "One of these days, sooner or later, we're going to find a loophole."

There's the big "loophole" reference which ties in such a big way to the later confrontation in the statue, but Mr. Black also refers to "we're going to find a loophole" not "I", "we". So I'm guessing Mr. Black is the leader of that time period's "Others".[/spoiler]

[spoiler=What's going on.]
In the finale we get the biggest use of the black and white theme yet. Jacob in white and his "opponent" in black. That moves me solidly into the 'chess metaphor' camp, and this must be the 'larger conflict', the "war" that has been talked about by some of the major players.

It looks to me that what has been going on is that in whatever game or struggle Jacob and Mr. Black are engage in, Jacob is somehow leaving he island to select the "pieces", the people, to be used. Once the pieces are on the board, it is then Mr. Black's challenge to move the pieces, by manipulating human nature, towards some specific end; one that Mr. Black seems to think is inevitable, but Jacob apparently thinks that isn't necessarily so.

Mr. Black: It always ends the same.
Jacob: It only ends once, everything before that is progress.

Mr. Black is, somehow, the Smoke Monster. His need to 'know' his pieces so he can maneuver them towards his end is the reason behind the Smoke Monster's probing of the past of an individual.
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[spoiler=Why?]
I have a feeling that how it "ends" always hinges on whether or not Jacob is "killed". Mr. Black isn't allowed to do it directly, he must manipulate one of his pieces into it; into 'capturing the king' in their game. Ben is just Mr. Black's latest pawn (Knight? Bishop? Rook?).
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[spoiler=The Hatch redux?]
Juliette's dead? Maybe. But what happened the last time there was a huge release of "the energy" and someone frantically scrambled to pull a trigger that resulted in a huge flash and (some kind of) explosion (Hint: The door of The Hatch was blown sky high)?

Desmond ended up bouncing through time and space, finally landing naked in the jungle. Juliette may have a wild ride ahead of her. Maybe she'll run into Mrs. Hawking the elder too. Or, maybe the as yet unseen Mr. Hawking...
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Man, do I feel sorry for people who haven't been able to stay onboard with Lost. Just the first five minutes of this finale alone made it all worth while, and that was just the appetizer. Jack and Sawyer in the jungle. Sawyer and Juliette's last scene. The backstory we get with Jacob.

What a terrific show. At least there's a million things to chew on during the long wait till next January. :thumbsup:

[Glued]

No mention of the logo...

[spoiler=No mention of the logo...]
No mention of the LOST logo going into negative (from our normal white on black to now black (or dark) on a white field)?
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[NewtonMP2100]

. . .since they have 1 season left. . .I'm assuming it didn't work or something went wrong. . .