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[M A V I C]

[quote elmo3][quote M A V I C]I guess I'll just keep asking until you answer:
How does one boot directly into windows on an Intel Mac without using bootcamp?
Ditto here. How does one "reboot and use boot camp"?

I'll go ahead and tell you the answer: one doesn't reboot and use boot camp. One simply reboots into the Windows one has installed, and then is running a pure Windows machine. Boot Camp doesn't come into play at all once it is running as a pure Windows machine.
Um, you didn't answer the question. In fact, you alluded to the fact that bootcamp is actually used to allow an Intel Mac to boot into Windows.

So I'll ask the question again, but this time it can be answered with a simple yes or no. Remember elmo, answer with either "yes" or "no."

Does bootcamp need to be used on an Intel Mac in order for it to be able to boot directly into Windows?

[elmo3]

[quote M A V I C]Um, you didn't answer the question. In fact, you alluded to the fact that bootcamp is actually used to allow an Intel Mac to boot into Windows.
Yeah. So? What does THAT have to do with your statement that one "reboots and uses boot camp"?

You don't "reboot and use boot camp" at all. You know that by now. When you reboot into Windows, as you were teling Go To Top to do, Boot Camp has nothing to do with what happens after that.

Answer the question: why did you tell Go To Top to reboot and then use boot camp?

So I'll ask the question again, but this time it can be answered with a simple yes or no. Remember elmo, answer with either "yes" or "no."

Does bootcamp need to be used on an Intel Mac in order for it to be able to boot directly into Windows?

You need to ask the question more succinctly. The way you've asked it, the answer is no.

Now, ask the question succinctly.

[M A V I C]

I told him that because without using bootcamp, one can't boot into windows. The rest of the process was self evident from the context.

Since the answer to "Does bootcamp need to be used on an Intel Mac in order for it to be able to boot directly into Windows?" is no, please explain how it can be done without bootcamp.

[elmo3]

One most certainly can boot into Windows without Boot Camp. One does that all the time.

What one does NOT do is "reboot and use Boot Camp".

The very first steps for making a Macintosh computer run Windows are:

download Boot Camp
Run it
Have it make a disc of drivers
Have it partition the disc
Install your Windows XP SP2 install disc
press the reboot button

and let the Windows XP SP2 disc with its installer, install Windows.

Once installed, you boot into Windows.

You do NOT "reboot and use Boot Camp". Boot Camp does not exist on the Windows partition, nor is it used in any way, shape, or form. One runs nothing in Boot Camp. (That would be like "running in a Word document".)

After booting into Windows, you insert the disc Boot Camp made for you and let it autorun. It will automatically install the Windows drivers for the Macintosh hardware. (Hint to Apple: make this disc available as a download directly from your web site, like any good computer manufacturer does.)

Once the drivers are installed, you have full use of your hardware under Windows.

At no point in any of this do you "reboot and use boot camp" as you said. "Reboot and use Windows" would be appropriate, yes. But you don't run anything in Boot Camp, and you don't "reboot and use boot camp".

If you rebooted and used Boot Camp, you'd have to reboot into the Macintosh side of things in order to use Boot Camp. That doesn't help; Boot Camp does only two things, none of which involve running a Windows application. Boot Camp preps the computer with a partition, and it also gives you the drivers for the hardware.

And in fact, if you already had the disc of drivers, you could simply boot from the Windows XP SP2 disc and destroy all partitions, create one big one, install XP onto that, and have a pure XP machine.

You don't "run things in Boot Camp".

[M A V I C]

You keep contradicting yourself. You say one doesn't need to use bootcamp, but then you give instructions which include using bootcamp.

Yes, I did leave a few steps out, but your explanation certainly does include rebooting and using bootcamp.

[elmo3]

[quote M A V I C]You keep contradicting yourself. You say one doesn't need to use bootcamp, but then you give instructions which include using bootcamp.
I didn't contradict myself in the least. You said:

"reboot and use boot camp."

I said you don't do that. Please tell us just when you reboot and use boot camp.

Boot Camp doesn't exist on the Windows side, so you can't "reboot and use boot camp".

And you don't *use* Boot Camp for anything once the Windows side is set up.

Can you tell me what one "uses" Boot Camp for once Windows is set up?

If you reboot into Windows, there is no Boot Camp.

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Yes, I did leave a few steps out, but your explanation certainly does include rebooting and using bootcamp.

no, not at all. One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Once rebooted, one does NOT use Boot Camp. It's not a program that one runs anything in.

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment. One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp".

Why do you insist on saying "reboot and use boot camp"?

[M A V I C]

no, not at all. One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment

There ya go, contradicting yourself again. How does one "run" boot camp without using it?

And you don't *use* Boot Camp for anything once the Windows side is set up.

And how does one setup boot camp without using it?

There ya go, bootcamp gets used!

BTW, you may be inproperly inferring just because I said "reboot and use boot camp" that I'm saying "reboot and then use the boot camp installer."

One cannot boot Windows directly on an Intel Mac without using boot camp. It's that simple.

[elmo3]

[quote M A V I C]

no, not at all. One downloads Boot Camp and runs it one time in the Macintosh environment

There ya go, contradicting yourself again. How does one "run" boot camp without using it?
One downloads it in the Mac environment and then runs it.

One does NOT "reboot and use boot camp" as you said.

Remember--it was YOU who said to "reboot and use boot camp".

Once rebooted, one does not "use boot camp".

And you don't *use* Boot Camp for anything once the Windows side is set up.

And how does one setup boot camp without using it?

There ya go, bootcamp gets used!

You download Boot Camp, run it, and then reboot.

You don't, as you claimed, "reboot and use boot camp".


Once used, Boot Camp can be trashed. It is not used again.

Therefore, to satisfy the original poster's requirements, he uses Boot Camp ONE TIME to prepare his Macintosh for Windows. Then he reboots and USES WINDOWS. He reboots to install Windows, and he reboots to use Windows.

He does not "reboot and use boot camp".

You keep ignoring what you said. Why do you keep ignoring what you said?

BTW, you may be inproperly inferring just because I said "reboot and use boot camp" that I'm saying "reboot and then use the boot camp installer."

One cannot boot Windows directly on an Intel Mac without using boot camp. It's that simple.

I am inferring exactly what you said.

What, then, did you mean by "reboot and use boot camp"?

Did you not mean to do those things in that order? If not, why not? If not, why did you say what you said the way you said it?

Maybe YOU need to come back and explain what YOU meant, because you plainly said something you could not have meant--that is, if you have any idea what you're talking about.

One does not repeatedly use Boot Camp. One uses it once, then throws it away, never to use it again. So why would you imply to someone that he should "reboot and use boot camp"?

Fact: you're a moron. That"s why.


As far as your claim of "One cannot boot Windows directly on an Intel Mac without using boot camp. It's that simple," that's 100% wrong. One absolutely can boot an Intel Mac straight from the XP SP2 install CD and install XP. You don't get the partitioning that Boot Camp provides; so what? So you simply destroy the partitions, make a new one, and go. Voila. XP machine.

And one does not "reboot and use boot camp". It's that simple.

[M A V I C]

Yes, you are inferring incorrectly. How would I know it? Because I wrote it and I know what I meant.

I put it in that order as a matter of stressing the priority of difference between boot camp and Parallels. The first priority in the difference for user experience is that one must reboot. So I put that first. The secondary priority to that difference is to use boot camp. It's less significant because, as you pointed it, it only needs to be done once. Rebooting is required each time the user wants to go from Mac to Windows, so the difference in user experience is greater.

Had I said "reboot and then use bootcamp" you'd have me on semantics as I would be structuring the sentence chronologically. As I've noted, the sentence was intentionally not structured chronologically.

Alas, you were the first to resort to a personal attack so by rules of the internet, I win

BTW, Windows can't run on EFI. http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
Macs use an ultra-modern industry standard technology called EFI to handle booting. Sadly, Windows XP, and even the upcoming Vista, are stuck in the 1980s with old-fashioned BIOS. But with Boot Camp, the Mac can operate smoothly in both centuries.

[slbett]

But, there is no way to win with someone who is always right. His signature says it all. This forum is just a large group of stupid people for him to try to chastise, abuse, and insult. I've usually found that people who act all superior and smug are usually just the opposite. As to the rules of the internet, ediquette, or common courtesy, they don't apply to him. I read this forum to learn and discus new ideas and not be lambasted by another forum member. How often does he help anyone compared to the times he just goes off on one of his rants. It is just Idiocy. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.