allow me to stir the pot - '24

[Acer]

Biden, much respect, but he's just old. He looks old, he sounds old. And he doesn't have the charm (Reagan) or sheer chutzpah (Trump) to distract from it. The reasonable statesman won over zany Trump, but only barely in the EC, and I don't think he could go the distance against anyone else. Biden aside in an extraordinary year, the Democrats have not won with a candidate approaching retirement age since Truman. They need a young, glib candidate who is not Harris (young, but not glib) or Bernie (glib, not young) or Warren (sincere, but not glib or young), or Hillary (not young anymore, and generallt an irritating personality). And frankly, I'd rule out everybody else who was on the debate dais in 2020. Fresh blood, stat!

[vision63]

mattkime wrote:
While I like Biden and think his administration is doing a good job with the hand they've been dealt - I fully agree that the Dems should strongly consider alternatives. If Biden was reelected, the best we'd get is another four years of mostly stagnant government. Its more about the narrative and having the votes in congress to pass legislation.

Honestly, perhaps the best thing would be for Biden not to run. I have no idea how likely that would be.

Past that, I have no idea who would make a good candidate. In my eyes, they all would in comparison to the alternative.

He literally won. He was the "only" Democrat that could have won. All the rest of them would have lost according to polls. By winning Georgia he lifted Warnock and Ossoff.

Biden is the only reason we can breathe right now. Imagine if we lost.

[DeusxMac]

Blankity Blank wrote:
Gavin Newsom may be sidelined before he can get started. Kimberly Guilfoyle was married to Newsom for five years in the very early 2000s.

However more recently, not only was Guilfolye an advisor in the Trump administration, she has been engaged to Donald Trump, Jr. since 2020. The engagement was not announced until January of this year, which, given those involved, frankly makes me wonder about any transactional threads in the alliance.

What Guilfoyle knows, or can claim to know or claim to have experienced in those five years married to Newsom could be pivotal for Gavin Newsom. Both have reputations for being rapaciously ambitious.

Please NO!

[DeusxMac]

I may be a voice in the wilderness, but every time I hear him, I’m greatly impressed by “Mayor Pete”.

[Lemon Drop]

vision63 wrote:
[quote=mattkime]
While I like Biden and think his administration is doing a good job with the hand they've been dealt - I fully agree that the Dems should strongly consider alternatives. If Biden was reelected, the best we'd get is another four years of mostly stagnant government. Its more about the narrative and having the votes in congress to pass legislation.

Honestly, perhaps the best thing would be for Biden not to run. I have no idea how likely that would be.

Past that, I have no idea who would make a good candidate. In my eyes, they all would in comparison to the alternative.

He literally won. He was the "only" Democrat that could have won. All the rest of them would have lost according to polls. By winning Georgia he lifted Warnock and Ossoff.

Biden is the only reason we can breathe right now. Imagine if we lost.
I cannot imagine. And yes, he is the reason we don't have President Trump right now. Every person on this thread will vote for Biden if he is the nominee in 2024.

[Blankity Blank]

vision63 wrote:
He literally won. He was the "only" Democrat that could have won. All the rest of them would have lost according to polls. By winning Georgia he lifted Warnock and Ossoff.

Biden is the only reason we can breathe right now. Imagine if we lost.

And he won despite one of the most fevered and vicious campaigns, replete with an attempt by the sitting administration and foreign actors to dictionary definition steal the election — a coordinated campaign of misinformation, interference by the Post Master General including stolen mailboxes, court challenges, a literal seditious attempt to storm the Capitol during the vote certification with intent of extreme violence including possible murder, the sitting President pressuring the sitting Vice President to disrupt the process — this country may have ever seen.

[mrbigstuff]

DeusxMac wrote:
I may be a voice in the wilderness, but every time I hear him, I’m greatly impressed by “Mayor Pete”.

Me, too. But not enough charisma, and too short. Not too gay, just too short.

[davester]

Why has nobody mentioned Amy Klobuchar?

[mattkime]

vision63 wrote:


Biden is the only reason we can breathe right now. Imagine if we lost.

I completely agree, and yet he’s not the way forward. Maybe it’s not him but us.

[Fritz]

Ombligo wrote:
I always felt he won simply because he was safer than Bernie and he wasn't Trump. That strategy isn't going to work again.

me too. I like that Whitmer takes no crap. But again, I think a female pres has sailed because of the number of Americans living in the '50s and were mute on the endless attacks on HRC.

According to polling by Gallup after the Supreme Court leak, 58% of Americans said they oppose overturning Roe v. Wade. The fact that more noise isn't be made by that lot does not bode well for a woman in charge.
That 58% needs to shame and push those 5 giant lying bos justices with protests day in day out at the SC if their "leak" becomes official.

The EC will not vote for Pete, Amy, Tammy or others that might be seen as to lib. Again, the 1950's won't allow it.

If avocado green makes a roaring come back and Happy Days relaunches, the drain plug is open.

I'd love to be surprised by the likes of Obamas 2004 keynote speech, that brought him to the fore front. Normally, I don't like surprises, but I am hoping for one now.

the one who should have never been or the moron from Tallahassee scare more hair off my head.