Are these insane birthers, tea-baggers, etc. helping or hurting the Republican party?

[swampy]

mattkime wrote:
>>many people in this country that oppose the policies of this administration for what they feel are valid reasons.

The problem with that statement is that some people's valid reasons have no grounding in reality.

But you knew that.

What is "reality" to you Matt may not affect me and my realities. A coal miner in West Virginia's reality is much different than an investment broker in NYC. The corn farmer's reality is different from that of an auto line worker. To say that the miner, broker, auto line worker or corn farmer are supposed to have the same concerns and realities or have no valid grounding (or based on your reality) shows you live in a very small world that seems to revolve around you.

[Greg]

swampy wrote:
What is "reality" to you Matt may not affect me and my realities. A coal miner in West Virginia's reality is much different than an investment broker in NYC. The corn farmer's reality is different from that of an auto line worker. To say that the miner, broker, auto line worker or corn farmer are supposed to have the same concerns and realities or have no valid grounding (or based on your reality) shows you live in a very small world that seems to revolve around you.

Subjective reality can vary. I know that licorice tastes awesome. Some people, for whatever reason, know that statement to be balderdash.

Objective reality doesn't work that way. I am using a Macintosh right now, regardless of whether an auto line workers believes I'm not.

Now, that Obama was born in America...is that like eating licorice, or like using a Macintosh?

[mattkime]

>>A coal miner in West Virginia's reality is much different than an investment broker in NYC. The corn farmer's reality is different from that of an auto line worker. To say that the miner, broker, auto line worker or corn farmer are supposed to have the same concerns and realities or have no valid grounding (or based on your reality) shows you live in a very small world that seems to revolve around you.

Please explain how your investment broker, corn farmer, and miner's occupations play a role in whether or not they think the president is an american citizen.

[$tevie]

cbelt3 wrote:
extremists hurt any political party. Ask the Democratic Party how much they liked Earth First ?

I think these nimrods are a welcome distraction for the Democratic Party- it enables the Democrats to paint all Republicans with the 'wingnut' brush and claim that that's all Republicans care about. And as a result they are damaging the ability of the Republican Party to do anything even marginally useful.

To these noisy fools, I would simply like to say :

i totally disagree. The GOP has done nothing whatsoever to discourage nor disavow the kooks. There's no way on earth that you can blame the Democrats for the fact that the Republicans have let the lunatics run their asylum. The ones who do attempt to speak out have been promptly crucified by Limbaugh and slink back into the fold.

[Mac1337]

$tevie wrote:
The GOP has done nothing whatsoever to discourage nor disavow the kooks.

Here is a difference. The GOP kooks are holding hand painted signs on street corners, the Democrat kooks are in the White House writing policy. Van Jones as kooky as it gets and look how far up he got.

[davester]

The GOP has figured out that propaganda can turn previously shunned fringe groups of unreliable kooks into a motivated and predictable constituency. It won't be the first time in history this has happened.

[OWC Jamie]

>>crucified by Limbaugh and slink back into the fold.<<


that's someleadership ya got there.

Is this slinking done surreptitiously at midnight ?

[Filliam H. Muffman]

Dakota wrote:
[quote=$tevie]
The GOP has done nothing whatsoever to discourage nor disavow the kooks.

Here is a difference. The GOP kooks are holding hand painted signs on street corners, the Democrat kooks are in the White House writing policy. Van Jones as kooky as it gets and look how far up he got.
Many of those hand painted signs have been linked to the multitude of web sites initiated and supported by Freedomworks/Dick Armey.

Do you really want me to start a list of all the criminally talentless kook biscuit sycophants appointed by the last administration? It might end up being longer than the Republican list by Dennis S.

[Mac1337]

Please do. And if Van Jones wasn't a kook why did Obama had to throw him overboard in the middle of the night? Oh, I see. He wasn't the Van Jones he knew.

[$tevie]

Complete Bush Appointee Resignation Scorecard
February 11th, 2009

Forty-two Bush Administration appointees resigned under a cloud of controversy over the past eight years. Only now could a final tally be calculated. So many had resigned that it actually has become difficult to remember every one of them. Some were well illuminated by the mainstream media while others were just a passing blip on the political radar.
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Not all resignations are a result of impropriety and not all resignations of controversial appointees are a result of the controversy. For example, Karl Rove has number of controversies surrounding his tenure at the White House but his resignation does not appear to be related to any them. Not everyone who has resigned will be found below. I also did not list those who did resign under controversy but who were later found to have done nothing wrong. Only the resignations that were nothing but cover for being fired or attempting to escape a controversy or indictment are listed below.

Of the 42 resignations, there have been nine criminal convictions thus far.

I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby- Office of the Vice President Chief of Staff

David Safavian- Administrator for Federal Procurement Policy, Office of Management and Budget, Executive Office of the President

J. Steven Griles- Deputy Secretary, Department of Interior

Kyle “Dusty” Foggo- CIA Executive Director

Eric Keroack- Dept. of Health & Human Services, Chief of U.S. Office of Population Affairs

Randall Tobias- Deputy Secretary of State

Kyle Sampson- Attorney General Chief of Staff

Monica Goodling- Senior Counselor to the Attorney General & Justice Department liaison to the White House

Michael Battle- Dept of Justice Director of the Executive Office for United States Attorneys

Paul McNulty- Deputy Attorney General

Michael Elston- Deputy Attorney General Chief of Staff

William Mercer- Associate Attorney General (Acting)

Sara Taylor- Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of Political Affairs at the White House

Paul Wolfowitz- World Bank President

Harvey Pitt- Securities & Exchange Commission Chairman

Julie MacDonald- Deputy Assistant Secretary of Interior

Francis Harvey- Secretary of the Army

Donald Rumsfeld- Secretary of Defense

Michael Brown- Dept. of Homeland Security Undersecretary of Emergency Preparedness and Response

Alberto Gonzales- Attorney General

George Deutsch- NASA Public Affairs Officer

Susan Orr- Dept. of Health & Human Services, Chief of U.S. Office of Population Affairs

Alphonso Roy Jackson- Secretary of Housing and Urban Development (HUD)

William J Haynes- Department of Defense General Consul

Lester Mills Crawford- Commissioner, US Food and Drug Administration

Sue Ralston- Special Assistant to the President & Assistant to Senior Advisor Karl Rove

Janet Rehnquist- Inspector General, Department of Health & Human Services

Kenneth Y. Tomlinson- Chairman, Corporation For Public Broadcasting

James Roche- Secretary of the Air Force

Philip A. Cooney- Chief of Staff, White House Council on Environmental Quality

John Korsmo- Chairman, Federal Housing Finance Board

Michelle Larson Korsmo- Deputy Chief of Staff, Department of Labor

Claude Alexander Allen- Deputy Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

Carl J. Truscott- Director of Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

David Smith- Deputy Assistant Secretary for Fish and Wildlife and Parks, Department of Interior

Bradley Schlozman- Department of Justice

Eric Andell- Deputy Undersecretary Department of Education

Brian Doyle- Deputy Press Secretary, Department of Homeland Security

Felipe Sixto- Special Assistant to the President for Intergovernmental Affairs

Timothy Goeglein- Special Assistant to the President and Deputy Director of the Office of Public Liaison

Howard Krongard- Inspector General, State Department

Lurita Doan-Administrator, General Services Agency

http://thedcshuffle.com/2009/02/11/compl...scorecard/