Trump indicted again.

[Lemon Drop]

Black wrote:
Whatever Trump gets is never going to be enough, but I hope co-conspirator 4 goes down hard. [quote=hal]
You watch - he's gonna try to serve up Eastman as his fall guy

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the co-conspirators:

Number 4 is Jeffrey Clark.

Major sleezeball.

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AllGold wrote:
I think all of the co-conspirators are so far unindicted.

One theory I heard floated about that is by indicting them separately/later and focusing on Trump alone allows Smith to bring him to trial much sooner.

Yes.

Trump will try every delay tactic under the sun. This trial has to come before Nov. 2024.

[Speedy]

I will postulate that in the end the SCOTUS, by a 6-3 ruling, will determine Trump’s actions, because he was a sitting president, were addressed in his House impeachment and Senate trial so therefore they do not belong in criminal court.

[S. Pupp]

Trump will get a fine. Others involved will get jail time, to be pardoned with the next Republican president.

[Speedy]

AllGold wrote:
[quote=hal]
CNN is saying that #6 is Jason Miller - nice!

I desperately want a different Miller, Stephen Miller, to serve prison time, but I don't know how involved he was in the scheme.
Stephen is probably holed up in a bunker with his Natzee buddies. Pass the cyanide.

[SteveG]

[PeterB]

Speedy wrote:
I will postulate that in the end the SCOTUS, by a 6-3 ruling, will determine Trump’s actions, because he was a sitting president, were addressed in his House impeachment and Senate trial so therefore they do not belong in criminal court.

Perhaps, except that the truth is now already out there in the form of this PDF, and will likely affect the outcome of the next election... if even by just swaying the independents and undecideds. The SCOTUS could let him off the hook as you say, but that just means he won't be convicted of anything, not that he'll get what he really wants: the Presidency back. That the GOP has as their ***current leading contender someone who is under federal indictment for crimes against the U.S. is really saying something.

Also, were the SCOTUS to rule in such a way, it would forever throw the validity of the court into the dumpster bin for the rest of history... although John Roberts has already demonstrated that he has no control over his own court, I'm not sure he wants to go down in history as being the Chief Justice who ultimately and finally delegitimized the SCOTUS.

***I wonder if this will finally start swaying some of the GOP to take a stand and just say that they need a better candidate than this guy... honestly, your cat would be a better candidate than this guy...

Edit:

hal wrote:
from twitter:

Mike Pence statement: “Today's indictment serves as an important reminder: anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be President of the United States...Our country is more important than one man. Our Constitution is more important than any one man’s career."

I'm really struck by this statement. Again, it's saying something that your own former VP is saying that you should never again be President.

[steve...]

S. Pupp wrote:
Trump will get a fine. Others involved will get jail time, to be pardoned with the next Republican president.

I heard maybe not prison but home confinement with an ankle monitor plus fines. The reason was that prison would be too hard for the Secret Service to watch him.

[Lemon Drop]

I'm not that interested in the sentence or how it is imposed. I want the guilty verdicts.

[SteveG]

The indictment against Trump says he "enlisted co-conspirators to assist him in his criminal efforts to overturn the legitimate results of the 2020 presidential election and retain power."