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[sekker]

I wish all of you peace this holiday season.

[DeusxMac]

dk62 wrote:
I doubt that the relatives of 100K-500K Iraqi civilians killed in the illegal invasion of their country would agree that grifting, genitalia-grabbing, democracy-questioning POS is worse than W. Or does the "civilized world" end at navel-gazing patriotic liberals? You can, and should crap all over Trump, but never, ever tell me that W was a good president. And the rest of the Western world (regular people, not politicians)? They laughed at us when Trump was president, they truly despised us at the time of Bush/Cheney.

OT: If Bush #1 had pursued Saddam Hussein's 1990 Kuwait invasion force all the way to Baghdad and actuated Saddam's overthrow then, would that have been better?

[vision63]

DeusxMac wrote:
[quote=dk62]
I doubt that the relatives of 100K-500K Iraqi civilians killed in the illegal invasion of their country would agree that grifting, genitalia-grabbing, democracy-questioning POS is worse than W. Or does the "civilized world" end at navel-gazing patriotic liberals? You can, and should crap all over Trump, but never, ever tell me that W was a good president. And the rest of the Western world (regular people, not politicians)? They laughed at us when Trump was president, they truly despised us at the time of Bush/Cheney.

OT: If Bush #1 had pursued Saddam Hussein's 1990 Kuwait invasion force all the way to Baghdad and actuated Saddam's overthrow then, would that have been better?
America killed 3 million Japanese people and countless German civilians. One president's noggin on Mt. Rushmore and the other one is remembered fondly as a kindly Show Me state gentleman. Both of those countries love America. One thing the United States has been very good at is not caring what any other country thinks about it.

[dk62]

None of those wars were started by the US for the purpose of enrichment of government-linked elites or pure stupidity of the president. But I should have learned long ago that it is useless to argue about foreign policy moral decrepitude of some US actions with population that has been fed jingoistic patriotism as a virtue from birth, so I will not continue.

[vision63]

dk62 wrote:
None of those wars were started by the US for the purpose of enrichment of government-linked elites or pure stupidity of the president. But I should have learned long ago that it is useless to argue about foreign policy moral decrepitude of some US actions with population that has been fed jingoistic patriotism as a virtue from birth, so I will not continue.

So, what did you do to stop George W, from becoming president? I fought to prevent him from becoming president because I knew that his presidency would be a disaster, for a lot of reasons.

I travelled with my own money to Florida to register voters in Orlando, Daytona, Jacksonville, Tallahassee, Pensacola etc. Over 400 voters overall.

So, he becomes president and he does what he does. Eventually, he's no longer president. I know exactly what George W's problems were and I even know what his strengths were. So hindsight being what it is, he can be simply assessed as a human being. That's what I do.

If some candidate is likely to do what you're exclaiming that he did, how 'bout we stop him before he gets the job? Just because he did something bad, doesn't necessarily make him all bad. He's not Trump.

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[RAMd®d]

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[mrbigstuff]

vision63 wrote:
[quote=dk62]
[quote=vision63]
He's a gentleman and a good egg.

Nope. It's this one singular pieceofshit human being named Donald Trump that people have chosen to ride and represent them, that has the entire civilized world up in arms.

Such a selfish/ethnocentric view of the world. I doubt that the relatives of 100K-500K Iraqi civilians killed in the illegal invasion of their country would agree that grifting, genitalia-grabbing, democracy-questioning POS is worse than W. Or does the "civilized world" end at navel-gazing patriotic liberals? You can, and should crap all over Trump, but never, ever tell me that W was a good president. And the rest of the Western world (regular people, not politicians)? They laughed at us when Trump was president, they truly despised us at the time of Bush/Cheney.
Wrong. Except for the Trump part.
not wrong. W was the worst president of our lifetime because he caused the most harm over bogus claims that he and others knew were false. literally, he killed hundreds of thousands of people for nothing. a person must be judged on actions, not words.

45/7 is the worst human being to be president, but not the worst president.

[DeusxMac]

RAMd®d wrote:
LAMF explained.

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[vision63]

mrbigstuff wrote:
[quote=vision63]
[quote=dk62]
[quote=vision63]
He's a gentleman and a good egg.

Nope. It's this one singular pieceofshit human being named Donald Trump that people have chosen to ride and represent them, that has the entire civilized world up in arms.

Such a selfish/ethnocentric view of the world. I doubt that the relatives of 100K-500K Iraqi civilians killed in the illegal invasion of their country would agree that grifting, genitalia-grabbing, democracy-questioning POS is worse than W. Or does the "civilized world" end at navel-gazing patriotic liberals? You can, and should crap all over Trump, but never, ever tell me that W was a good president. And the rest of the Western world (regular people, not politicians)? They laughed at us when Trump was president, they truly despised us at the time of Bush/Cheney.
Wrong. Except for the Trump part.
not wrong. W was the worst president of our lifetime because he caused the most harm over bogus claims that he and others knew were false. literally, he killed hundreds of thousands of people for nothing. a person must be judged on actions, not words.

45/7 is the worst human being to be president, but not the worst president.
Bush never once "believed" that the claims of Iraq possessing WMD's were false. He believed that the claims were true. If he didn't, he would not have invaded. I know that it's commonly believed that he knew that it was a lie, but that's simply not true. He was in shock when they found nothing.

Oh, and Donald Trump is "all" bad.