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$tevie wrote:
That's the kind of letter that will, at best, be shown by Douthat to some friends to illustrate that the people who disagree with him are doofuses.
so not that much different than he or his friends.
"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.
My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man."
He or Sorenson wrote it, dunno. That is what I took from that presidency. Few have said more in so few words. Nothing else really matters and I think that may be the same for so many Americans of my generation.
It's time to read and understand again. It'd be nice if Congress could read.
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I meant that Douthat would consider you a doofus, not that you actually are one. Just in case I was misunderstood.
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you wasn't
I'm a high school drop out, so doofy is the least of my worries.
Nudge nudge wink wink.
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Ombligo wrote: The Cuban Missile crisis was his shining moment while the Berlin Wall was a stalemate - so in reality his box score was 1 win, 1 loss and 1 draw.
Weird, I've never considered The Cuban Missile Crisis to be Kennedy's shining moment. He sure seemed hellbent to doom the world to destruction, I give credit for the Soviets for backing down.
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Fritz wrote: "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.
Would be nice if the man who spoke those words understood they also applied to him and those around him.
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silvarios wrote:
Would be nice if the man who spoke those words understood they also applied to him and those around him.
I think he did, as much as any other football carrying president has since.
I think it all changes when you're in the chair.
Like pop music, the first 3 LPs usually have a decent amount of quality on them.
Once you're a pop star ..................
We have a saying in television (I"m sure it exists elsewhere).
If it were easy, they'd have their relatives do it.
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Fritz wrote:
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That's the kind of letter that will, at best, be shown by Douthat to some friends to illustrate that the people who disagree with him are doofuses.
so not that much different than he or his friends.
"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.
My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man."
He or Sorenson wrote it, dunno. That is what I took from that presidency. Few have said more in so few words. Nothing else really matters and I think that may be the same for so many Americans of my generation.
It's time to read and understand again. It'd be nice if Congress could read.
How can you expect them to read, when they can't even add?
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silvarios wrote:
[quote=Ombligo]The Cuban Missile crisis was his shining moment while the Berlin Wall was a stalemate - so in reality his box score was 1 win, 1 loss and 1 draw.
Weird, I've never considered The Cuban Missile Crisis to be Kennedy's shining moment. He sure seemed hellbent to doom the world to destruction, I give credit for the Soviets for backing down.
The Soviets were invading our space by stockpiling offensive nukes on Cuba... we weren't invading the Soviets' space by an offensive nuke buildup in their backyard w/ the idea of taking out their prime political turf. "Backing down" was the only reasonable option, and it was brokered in the back rooms, behind the scenes, to allow everyone to save as much face as possible from a situation that had no basis in sound reason to have ever occurred in the first place. That JFK stood tall in the face of the gross stupidity of our country's cold war adversaries, was a shining moment, in that that's what a good, charismatic leader is supposed to do. Clearly that was a time sensitive situation. There weren't weeks and months available for protracted negotiations... and again, it was in our backyard. The Soviets got caught w/ their pants down. To put it simply; don't poke the animals, unless you really, really want to get bit.
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Buzz wrote: The Soviets were invading our space by stockpiling offensive nukes on Cuba... we weren't invading the Soviets' space by an offensive nuke buildup in their backyard w/ the idea of taking out their prime political turf. "Backing down" was the only reasonable option, and it was brokered in the back rooms, behind the scenes, to allow everyone to save as much face as possible from a situation that had no basis in sound reason to have ever occurred in the first place. That JFK stood tall in the face of the gross stupidity of our country's cold war adversaries, was a shining moment, in that that's what a good, charismatic leader is supposed to do. Clearly that was a time sensitive situation. There weren't weeks and months available for protracted negotiations... and again, it was in our backyard. The Soviets got caught w/ their pants down. To put it simply; don't poke the animals, unless you really, really want to get bit.
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You are stating the USA did not likewise place missiles within striking distance of Moscow?
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silvarios wrote:
[quote=Buzz]The Soviets were invading our space by stockpiling offensive nukes on Cuba... we weren't invading the Soviets' space by an offensive nuke buildup in their backyard w/ the idea of taking out their prime political turf. "Backing down" was the only reasonable option, and it was brokered in the back rooms, behind the scenes, to allow everyone to save as much face as possible from a situation that had no basis in sound reason to have ever occurred in the first place. That JFK stood tall in the face of the gross stupidity of our country's cold war adversaries, was a shining moment, in that that's what a good, charismatic leader is supposed to do. Clearly that was a time sensitive situation. There weren't weeks and months available for protracted negotiations... and again, it was in our backyard. The Soviets got caught w/ their pants down. To put it simply; don't poke the animals, unless you really, really want to get bit.
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You are stating the USA did not likewise place missiles within striking distance of Moscow?
No, I'm stating that the US military presence in Europe/Asia was primarily to aid in the defense of US allies, and that the Soviets' stockpiling missiles in Cuba was primarily/purely offensive solely against the USA, and wholly w/o merit. The US had no intention of ever interfering w/ Cuban commerce w/ other non-ally nations until the Soviet missiles showed up. Castro and the Soviets chose to poke the animals.
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