Study: Placebo or Not, Acupuncture Helps Pain

[Black]

http://news.yahoo.com/study-placebo-not-...737196.htm

Question is . . . why on earth would you want to help pain? Wouldn't you want to fight it?

[freeradical]

Oops!

[voodoopenguin]

Black wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/study-placebo-not-...737196.htm

Question is . . . why on earth would you want to help pain? Wouldn't you want to fight it?

First off, your link doesn't work so try here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501367_162-5...with-pain/

Secondly, I think there is a difference between "helping pain" and "helping with pain" which is what was written in the article.

Thirdly, you might have been just joking!

Paul

[Chakravartin]

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22...tised.html

Acupuncture treatment is not as safe as advertised

Investigators from the National Patient Safety Agency, part of the UK's government-funded National Health Service, assembled all reports of adverse events following acupuncture treatment in NHS clinics between 2009 and 2011. In these clinics, acupuncture is provided by conventionally qualified doctors and therapists, who are also trained to perform acupuncture. This is offered in several NHS hospitals, GP's surgeries and nearly all NHS pain clinics.

The investigators found 325 reports of adverse effects. There is no data for the total number of acupuncture treatments given, so the frequency of these events cannot be calculated. But other studies in Germany and the UK have found adverse effects following some 10 per cent of treatments.

Some of the reports were merely of sloppy practice. In 100 cases, patients were left with needles still in them, sometimes hours longer than intended or even after they or the staff went home. Some needles subsequently had to be surgically removed...

Gee! Only 5 lung-collapses from acupuncture reported over 2 years... 'must be very safe, indeed!

[OWC Jamie]

There are all manner of masochists.
Some of them even don't own cars and survive hoofing it, struggling with bicycles and riding smelly subways and megabusses. :nuts:
:oldfogey::dunno::driving::devil:

[Black]

Oops, must have dropped the l from the url.
http://news.yahoo.com/study-placebo-not-...37196.html

[NewtonMP2100]

.....not sure if I get the POINT.....??

[cbelt3]

Makes sense. Of course one problem with 'alternate therapies' is the lack of professionalism and skill validation (yeah.. licensure). Hence the amateur issues with needles left in, etc...

When you consider that a hair stylist typically requires WAY more certification and officially recognized training than alternative 'medicine' folks.. yeah. There are problems.

[freeradical]

NewtonMP2100 wrote:
.....not sure if I get the POINT.....??

:-)

[ka jowct]

cbelt3 wrote:
Makes sense. Of course one problem with 'alternate therapies' is the lack of professionalism and skill validation (yeah.. licensure). Hence the amateur issues with needles left in, etc...

When you consider that a hair stylist typically requires WAY more certification and officially recognized training than alternative 'medicine' folks.. yeah. There are problems.

The Discovery Health channel has run a series of shows devoted people who survived after having surgical sponges or implements left in them during surgery, some of them with permanently reduced quality of life and health. Everyone involved with the surgeries must have had plenty of certification and training, so such problems clearly aren't necessarily more common to acupuncturists. Keeping track of instruments and sponges turns out to be not so easy.

Accupuncture is probably safer than seeing a chiropracter.