Is your local hospital ripping you off?; if you live in Florida the answer may be yes!

[Speedy]

mrlynn wrote: Ultimately, IMO, the culprit is third-party payment, which makes hash of the marketplace

Perhaps we don't need a "marketplace", maybe just Medicare for all.

[mrlynn]

Speedy wrote:
[quote=mrlynn]Ultimately, IMO, the culprit is third-party payment, which makes hash of the marketplace

Perhaps we don't need a "marketplace", maybe just Medicare for all.
Yep, just multiply 40,000 pages of regulations by a factor of 10.

/Mr Lynn

[GuyGene]

If you live in America, the answer is YES.

[Speedy]

mrlynn wrote:
[quote=Speedy]
[quote=mrlynn]Ultimately, IMO, the culprit is third-party payment, which makes hash of the marketplace

Perhaps we don't need a "marketplace", maybe just Medicare for all.
Yep, just multiply 40,000 pages of regulations by a factor of 10.

/Mr Lynn
Better than the insurance companies, each with its own set of regulations.

Also, just ask the rest of the economically developed world.

[Kraniac]

Black wrote:
[quote=Kraniac]
I think ultimately the problem is that hospitals just plain charge to much money for everything..they are to fancy (cosmetically) and their main concern is in making lots and lots of money..

Every hospital I've ever worked at has been all about money-- as in enough money to keep from having to shut its doors.
and?

I mean, what drives that??

[silvarios]

Black wrote:
[quote=cbelt3]
mrlynn has it... the 'bill' everyone gets is screamingly complicated, hideously pricey, and completely meaningless.

Why ?

Laws. Regulations. Political Complexities. Business complexities produced by interlocking unrelated 'systems' that can't or won't talk to each other or even speak the same language. Every time a politician says " I'm going to write a law to SAVE you money" they mean "I'm going to write a law to force you to pay for a lot of bureaucrats."

And the people who actually provide the care ? They hate it. They want to practice medicine, not deal with insurance companies and government Bovine Feces.

(tu)
But that is now the legally mandated reality. Most people are forced into this mandatory privatized insurance racket. We had a chance to make meaningful, long lasting changes to health care, but we ended up with a political compromise because the one party controlling both the legislative and executive branches at the time kowtowed to these huge business interests. On the flip side, the other party has their heads so far up their butt on this issue, they were proposing no real changes. Complete boondoggle.

[silvarios]

Speedy wrote:
[quote=mrlynn]
[quote=Speedy]
[quote=mrlynn]Ultimately, IMO, the culprit is third-party payment, which makes hash of the marketplace

Perhaps we don't need a "marketplace", maybe just Medicare for all.
Yep, just multiply 40,000 pages of regulations by a factor of 10.

/Mr Lynn
Better than the insurance companies, each with its own set of regulations.

Also, just ask the rest of the economically developed world.
I agree with Speedy, how is this worse?

[mrlynn]

silvarios wrote:
[quote=Speedy]
[quote=mrlynn]
[quote=Speedy]
[quote=mrlynn]Ultimately, IMO, the culprit is third-party payment, which makes hash of the marketplace

Perhaps we don't need a "marketplace", maybe just Medicare for all.
Yep, just multiply 40,000 pages of regulations by a factor of 10.

/Mr Lynn
Better than the insurance companies, each with its own set of regulations.

Also, just ask the rest of the economically developed world.
I agree with Speedy, how is this worse?
Like the UK? http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottatlas/2...acare-too/

Closer to home, there's the VA.

/Mr Lynn

[Paul F.]

silvarios wrote:
[quote=Speedy]
[quote=mrlynn]
[quote=Speedy]
[quote=mrlynn]Ultimately, IMO, the culprit is third-party payment, which makes hash of the marketplace

Perhaps we don't need a "marketplace", maybe just Medicare for all.
Yep, just multiply 40,000 pages of regulations by a factor of 10.

/Mr Lynn
Better than the insurance companies, each with its own set of regulations.

Also, just ask the rest of the economically developed world.
I agree with Speedy, how is this worse?

I can tell any insurance company to go fuck themselves and find a new one. One does not have that option in a "single payer government" plan.

[silvarios]

Paul F. wrote:
I can tell any insurance company to go fuck themselves and find a new one. One does not have that option in a "single payer government" plan.

True, but you can't swap insurers at a drop of a hat, can you. Whole open enrollment crap.