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My parents owned a an '82 diesel Malibu, and I think an /83 or '84 Buick Century. Both were great cars on the highway. The Malibu got around 40mpg on the highway. The Malibu actually held an NHRA record I believe. We went to the drag races and it was cheaper to bring a car load of people in if the car raced. So Dad entered the car and finished the 1/4 mile at about 55mph in a time of about 19 seconds. They estimated the time because he disappeared in a cloud of smoke at the lights. I'm pretty sure at the time, his was the only diesel coupe to ever race.
My grandfather owned a diesel Cadillac El Dorado. I suspect that was pretty rare too.
I believe that the EPA regs for diesels are very different than they are for gasoline cars and it makes the gas engines look much better, but they're really not.
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RAMd®d wrote:
Eye of the beholder. I love the look.
Likewise.
Me three. Just saw one still driving on the local roads. Real world MPG was likely closer to 45-50, but not too bad.
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RAMd®d wrote:
Not bad looking.
A mini-station wagon look.
As the driver(s) of the diesel were apparently trying to set a record, I wonder what more real world milage might be, as well as fuel capacity.
Like high-capacity magazines, I like the idea of high-milage cars with a larger fuel tank. Say 15gal, at 70+ mpg.
Freakin' awesome!
Same question here. What's real world MPG.
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GuyGene wrote:
Man, them's some ugly cyars. We need to get over our diesel fear though in America. Diesel is all I owned in Japan, where it's cheaper than gasoline too.
When gas prices were higher, diesel was easily a $0.75-$1.00 markup than the cheapest gasoline octane price. Even now, probably about $0.16, but that's not insurmountable, especially if you are doubling your MPG. I'm assuming cars get 28ish and the real world driving on that diesel is closer to $56ish.
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RAMd®d wrote:
where it's cheaper than gasoline too.
That was true, here, once.
Except for some spikes in gas prices, any time I care to look diesel is more expensive. Maybe it's cheaper than gas elsewhere in the states.
Still, it's offset when the vehicle gets better/great mileage.
Yeah, that.
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Me three. Just saw one still driving on the local roads. Real world MPG was likely closer to 45-50, but not too bad.
Yeah, with a CVT. With a stick, you'll break 70, maybe 80.
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p8712 wrote:
Me three. Just saw one still driving on the local roads. Real world MPG was likely closer to 45-50, but not too bad.
Yeah, with a CVT. With a stick, you'll break 70, maybe 80.
Do you have any data? Thanks
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My two old VW Diesels are laughing at your gassers. At least now that gas and Diesel are very similar in price.
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space-time wrote:
[quote=p8712]
Me three. Just saw one still driving on the local roads. Real world MPG was likely closer to 45-50, but not too bad.
Yeah, with a CVT. With a stick, you'll break 70, maybe 80.
Do you have any data? Thanks
Insightcental has A LOT of mpg data. It really depends on if you make any mods, and how you drive the car. The manual version has lean burn, while the CVT doesn't. Here's car and driver:
127 in unrealistic conditions.
Here's 71, the fun way
Here's 101
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A lean burn gas engine should only need the same tweaks that they made to diesels. Triple catalyst and DGI are what many manufacturers are working towards, if they aren't already there.
Bill in NC wrote:
Lean-burn engine?
Can't sell those here anymore either, they run afoul of the same strict NOx emissions limits that doom most diesel engines.
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The 1992 Honda Civic VX was rated for 49 MPG, but it weighed about 900 lbs less then the current one. Lots of people said they got over 50 MPG and one hyper-miler got 70 MPG averaging 3 fill ups.
Looking at the US lineup of Honda, you wouldn't know they made diesel engines. I wonder if they will start selling them here when the new fleet mileage rules get closer to the implementation date.
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