07-14-2016, 12:51 AM
fauch wrote:
Are die hard Bernie supporters now going to vote for Hillary that were NOT planning on it before his endorsement?
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BERNIE SANDERS ENDORSES CLINTON!
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07-14-2016, 12:53 AM
NewtonMP2100 wrote: 
07-14-2016, 01:23 PM
fauch wrote: How much would you speculate that he got paid? Who knows. But I very much doubt his did this of his own accord, without gaining something major in return... Why would he? Because who cares? Are die hard Bernie supporters now going to vote for Hillary that were NOT planning on it before his endorsement? Who exactly was this meant for? There are lots and lots of former Bernie supporters who are now going to vote for Hillary. Are there die-hards who won't, and will now throw their votes away on Jill Stein or write in Bernie? Sure, but those people were never going to vote for a major party candidate anyway (and before you all start, Bernie never had a chance in hell of becoming the party's nominee, so just stop). Bernie wants a Democrat in the White House. He got to have his say on the platform, and he's influenced the party for the better. But he's not such an ideologue that he's willing to throw it all away and end up with a President Trump. Because he's not an idiot - he's a politician. (Yeah, yeah - go ahead and take your cheap shots.)
07-14-2016, 01:34 PM
rjmacs wrote: Sound familiar?
07-14-2016, 01:48 PM
Once he decompresses from the long exhausting, exhilarating campaign trial, Bernie will be uniquely positioned to affect the look of the next Senate.
If he marshalls them, he has enough resources and devotees to have a major impact on downline races. If he helps flip the Senate he also takes over a major Chairmanship. If those efforts also thin the GOP House majority, he can have a major impact on how Hillary is able to govern.
07-14-2016, 02:12 PM
DeusxMac wrote: Sound familiar? Yeah, except the parties, the candidates, and the competition are 100% different. So, actually, i guess, no.
07-14-2016, 03:13 PM
rjmacs wrote: Sound familiar? Yeah, except the parties, the candidates, and the competition are 100% different. So, actually, i guess, no. The Democratic Party is not filled with irrational people who make all bets off.
07-14-2016, 03:20 PM
rjmacs wrote: Sound familiar? Yeah, except the parties, the candidates, and the competition are 100% different. So, actually, i guess, no. It's not a matter of the candidates, nor of the party, it's your excessive "never... a chance in hell" certainty. A year ago plenty of knowledgable people across all parties truly believed Trump didn't have a chance in hell of becoming the Republican candidate. Conversely, if back in the fall of last year, someone declared that "the Golden State Warriors don't have a chance in hell of winning the NBA championship", the Warrior's loss to Cleveland doesn't mean that declaration was correct.
07-14-2016, 06:12 PM
rjmacs wrote: Sound familiar? Yeah, except the parties, the candidates, and the competition are 100% different. So, actually, i guess, no. It was perfectly plausible that Trump could take the nom. He just needed to tally more votes. Bernie really lost the day after Super Tuesday. He just kept going anyway. He was soundly defeated if you examine.
07-14-2016, 06:22 PM
It took me a minute to see what Bernie's end game was. I had to remember who he was and what he was about. I've mentioned this before. Bernie was like a Jim Brown style halfback that was determined to take his life's work down the field as far as he possibly could. By any means necessary. For him that meant within the rules, which he complained about. He played the caucuses masterfully. He tripped up on minorities though. He would like a do-over. But it's not like he didn't care. He liked the rules that benefitted him and disliked the ones that didn't. Human nature.
Since he caucuses with Democrats, he understands the consequences of taking it too far. Which he never planned to do. People like me just wanted him to do it earlier. His most rabid followers didn't though. There is no way he would make a devils bargain to support the nominee. There was never a moment when he and Hillary didn't respect one another. |
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