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2 policeman cant take down one man?
#21
Blankity Blank wrote:
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The bodycam footage has been the most informative I’ve seen.

I didn’t see the part where they killed a man because of a DUI.

Oh wait, I guess I did.
DUI. Field test, failed breathalyzer, handcuffed and taken to jail. Alive.

DUI. Field test, failed breathalyzer; attempted to handcuff; unprovoked, violent resisting of arrest, seizes weapon from officer, flees, uses weapon against officer, victim of lethal force.

Trying to frame every instance as a tragedy of monumental injustice ultimately does the cause of justice no service.
You and I define cause of justice very differently. I’d put him in front of a judge. You’d put him in front of a gun. One of us would work to effect justice. The other would take an easy way out and not shed a tear.
It always makes me sad and despair just a little when I see an ally on the left veer into baseless hyperbole as smear, give in to the meritless ownership of the high ground. Easy things to do, human nature bring what it is, but I hold onto the hope that such things will remain, at least mostly, the stomping ground of the right.

No sense of history of position. No curiosity why a voice must often four square allied might, in this singular instance, see a different perspective from that which is reflexive.

I suppose to some now I’ve ‘shown my true colors’. There’s always humor to be found, even in disappoint. :biggrin:
More than one person here has mentioned more than once several practical alternatives to what the police did. Alternatives that stood an excellent chance at justice without killing someone. You've considered exactly none of them. The only disappointment here is that you mischaracterize these ideas as baseless hyperbole. You get bonus points for trying to tie my stance with, "Hey, you're just as bad as those other people we both don't like." C'mon dude, that's not even trying.

It always makes me sad and despair Your burden is surely immense. I'm still looking for the smear I've committed. What, let me scroll up. No, not there. You want this one instance to be considered, yet pretend this one instance could have only occurred how it did, which precludes all other ideas as being valid. Congrats ... that's easy.

We're taking a step back and applying broad concepts you're willfully ignoring here, which is probably gonna just produce more "unique incidents" that curiously produce the same results. That's a clue. You might choose to reconsider just how concerned you say you are about this. It's fair to say the system is not broken if that's how you feel, without couching it as some sort of one-off where you "might" feel differently next time. This fool ain't buyin' it.
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#22
Still no sense history. Still not an iota of curiosity.

OK this is twice now. Stop being coy if you want to be taken seriously here.
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#23
deckeda wrote:
Still no sense history. Still not an iota of curiosity.

OK this is twice now. Stop being coy if you want to be taken seriously here.

Coy? I’ve laid out my position fully, and anyone is free to go back and see where I’ve stood on these issues and others like them in the past.
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#24
Okay, after reading all of the above, my question is this:

What training do the cops need to have to prevent escalations based on various reactions of said suspect?

It sounds like they have to be a profiler in a split second. What training can help them make split second decisions that don’t get people killed?
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#25
Blankity Blank wrote:
[quote=deckeda]
[quote=Blankity Blank]
The bodycam footage has been the most informative I’ve seen.

I didn’t see the part where they killed a man because of a DUI.

Oh wait, I guess I did.
DUI. Field test, failed breathalyzer, handcuffed and taken to jail. Alive.

DUI. Field test, failed breathalyzer; attempted to handcuff; unprovoked, violent resisting of arrest, seizes weapon from officer, flees, uses weapon against officer, victim of lethal force.

Trying to frame every instance as a tragedy of monumental injustice ultimately does the cause of justice no service.

Why do you think the chief of police of a major metro force was made to resign over this, and why did the mayor demand that the officer involved be fired? (he was)
Do those people not understand correct policing?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/14/us/vi...olice.html
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#26
So why was the chief of police forced to resign? He was not involved in the incident. If he promoted a culture of violence and discrimination, sure, but if this was an incident beyond his control, how is he responsible?

Cabinet members do stupid stuff al the time and I don't recall president Trump resigning over this.
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#27
space-time wrote:
So why was the chief of police forced to resign? He was not involved in the incident. If he promoted a culture of violence and discrimination, sure, but if this was an incident beyond his control, how is he responsible?

Cabinet members do stupid stuff al the time and I don't recall president Trump resigning over this.

The former chief is a "she."
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#28
Lizabeth wrote:
Okay, after reading all of the above, my question is this:

What training do the cops need to have to prevent escalations based on various reactions of said suspect?

It sounds like they have to be a profiler in a split second. What training can help them make split second decisions that don’t get people killed?

I took a series of personal defense classes a few years ago. The first 10 minutes of each class was de-escalation practice. The idea is that the best defense is avoiding the conflict to begin with. The drills were repetitive to make de-escalation reflexive.
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#29
Lemon Drop wrote:
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So why was the chief of police forced to resign? He was not involved in the incident. If he promoted a culture of violence and discrimination, sure, but if this was an incident beyond his control, how is he responsible?

Cabinet members do stupid stuff al the time and I don't recall president Trump resigning over this.

The former chief is a "she."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-pers...Generic_he
I will give S-T the benefit of the doubt.
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#30
Sarcany wrote:

Cops need to be trained to de-escalate to the point where they do it reflexively. Attacking like a brute when someone reacts in fear is not the way to police a civilized nation.

Totally this. And they especially need to change their attitudes about how much threat a brown or black person (especially a male) is just because they are brown or black.
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