How will this end?

[Janit]

pdq wrote:
It looks, honestly, like we’re barreling toward a constitutional crisis, and sooner rather than later.

Trump is ignoring the courts, and will continue to do so as long as the situation will allow him to.

The VP is posting that it’s “illegal” for a court to tell the executive branch what to do (or in other words, have any power over them as they are breaking the law, which they are). Unelected, unappointed, unconfirmed Musk is calling any limitations on his activity a “judicial coup”.

I heard a recent Trump snippet this morning where he said judges should be ruling on cases, not giving orders - apparently he’s never heard of a court order.

Anyway, Trump has always done whatever he wants, until people - generally his people - tell him no.

His people are not going to tell him no. We need to, or we have a dictatorship.

I have no doubt that we are headed for a constitutional crisis. What I am wondering is how that will play out.

What will it take to get Trump and his cronies out, what kind of economic devastation will it take to motivate people to do it, and what kind of country will we have when it's done?

I have several relatives who are federal civil servants or who do research funded by grants from NIH, NSF, etc. They do good work. They feed people. They heal people. They do research designed to feed people better and to heal people better. They go to meetings to tell other people what they have learned so that others can feed people better and to heal people better. Others negotiate government contracts and fight with contractors who try to rip the government off.

My relatives are being hit by a double whammy: the destruction of their life's work and the destruction of their physical lives. Several of them are going to lose their houses. Where are they going to go?

And it won't stop with the intelligentsia. The government cuts are going to affect everyone. It is one case where "trickle-down" WILL work.

I fear that there will be an epidemic of suicides, and that it will cut across the whole economy. The MAGATS may be intending to kill the intelligentsia, but I fear they will end up killing the entire country as well.

[special]

I am concerned about political violence.

I am against guns, but I am concerned that some MAGA nut will come to my house since I had democratic signs in front of my house.

Maybe I should get a gun? a LEGAL gun?

I am scared to think about this, but it does cross my mind.

[Lemon Drop]

Janit wrote:
[quote=pdq]
It looks, honestly, like we’re barreling toward a constitutional crisis, and sooner rather than later.

Trump is ignoring the courts, and will continue to do so as long as the situation will allow him to.

The VP is posting that it’s “illegal” for a court to tell the executive branch what to do (or in other words, have any power over them as they are breaking the law, which they are). Unelected, unappointed, unconfirmed Musk is calling any limitations on his activity a “judicial coup”.

I heard a recent Trump snippet this morning where he said judges should be ruling on cases, not giving orders - apparently he’s never heard of a court order.

Anyway, Trump has always done whatever he wants, until people - generally his people - tell him no.

His people are not going to tell him no. We need to, or we have a dictatorship.

I have no doubt that we are headed for a constitutional crisis. What I am wondering is how that will play out.

What will it take to get Trump and his cronies out, what kind of economic devastation will it take to motivate people to do it, and what kind of country will we have when it's done?

I have several relatives who are federal civil servants or who do research funded by grants from NIH, NSF, etc. They do good work. They feed people. They heal people. They do research designed to feed people better and to heal people better. They go to meetings to tell other people what they have learned so that others can feed people better and to heal people better. Others negotiate government contracts and fight with contractors who try to rip the government off.

My relatives are being hit by a double whammy: the destruction of their life's work and the destruction of their physical lives. Several of them are going to lose their houses. Where are they going to go?

And it won't stop with the intelligentsia. The government cuts are going to affect everyone. It is one case where "trickle-down" WILL work.

I fear that there will be an epidemic of suicides, and that it will cut across the whole economy. The MAGATS may be intending to kill the intelligentsia, but I fear they will end up killing the entire country as well.

I'm worried about these folks too, particularly in science or humanitarian fields.

UNC Chapel Hill is suing over the reduction in federal grant funding to their science departments, cuts that could cost thousands of jobs around the state, and negatively impact ongoing research.
Just one state, one university.

Yet as a voting bloc probably not influential at all, many are likely already Dem voters or live in a red state.

Scary depressing times.

[Numo]

Given how completely off the rails Trump is acting in global affairs, there is the possibility that foreign entanglements could ultimately result in some sort of military disaster. But he is basically a coward so I don’t think this will happen in the short term. I hope it will never happen, but maybe a close call like the threat of an impending nuclear war could finally force him from office. Sorry to be so depressing.

[Acer]

Numo wrote:
Given how completely off the rails Trump is acting in global affairs, there is the possibility that foreign entanglements could ultimately result in some sort of military disaster. But he is basically a coward so I don’t think this will happen in the short term. I hope it will never happen, but maybe a close call like the threat of an impending nuclear war could finally force him from office. Sorry to be so depressing.

We haven't heard him rattle his sabre at Iran lately. At least not directly, though certainly implied with his Gaza Final Solution. Iran, IIRC, was the main sovereign entity he threatened with military action.

[sekker]

'In fire.'

[special]

sekker wrote:
'In fire.'

Fire squad?

[Michael]

Midterms. Then we'll have a divided legislature and the complete idiots won't be in control. More middle'ish House members from both sides will drive House votes. Those bills won't be acceptable to the Senate and so little will get done legislatively.

[$tevie]

gabester wrote:
[quote=$tevie]
It's going to end when Republicans in Congress realize that their jobs are going to be on the line, because ain't no jobs if there ain't no Legislative Branch. It's a question of how long before they figure out that the risk of being primaried is moot if there's no seats to run for.

I don't think their jobs are on the line. They can be coopted by the usurper king's imperial administration and given a cut of the royal treasury. They've already demonstrated they'll sell us out for a few tens of thousands in campaign donations; an offer of something like a quarter billion each would make most of the ~270 Reps and Senators "wealthy" beyond their wildest dreams to be governors of their newly assigned feudal serfs the rest of their lives.
The idea that Trump and Musk will give them anything but a boot in the ass is amazing to me. Those guys in no way will pay Congress people to leave when they can just dissolve the entire legislature. Nobody seems to be willing to stop them.

[mrbigstuff]

It may end with me becoming an ex-pat.