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Consequences
#1
So it begins.

When all the crap came down about funding at NIH and elsewhere, travel restrictions were also imposed from On High. You might remember it. Work was stopped, committee members sent home, etc. Some folks were denied the ability to go to yearly conferences and national meetings, and there was a real question about whether even training that had been in the works for months would be allowed. Yeah, feels like forever even though it’s been a few months

My profession is in the medical research field; I am a cytometrist (I run instrumentation looking at cells). There is a yearly meeting for folks that use such instrumentation, be they immunologists or biologists or engineers or other professionals and scientists who make use of, who think about making use of, or improve the technology. Looking at pollen? Microplastics? Mammalian cells? Plants? Marine microbiology? Cell parts, brain, blood, liver, kidney, lymph nodes, lung? This community is worldwide, and the biggest meeting is CYTO. This year it is in Florida, next year somewhere else in the US, and then it will go elsewhere (Europe, in Finland). The idea is to make it accessible to all.

I am on a listserve of this community, based from Purdue. If the listserver goes down, I’m sure it’s backed up somewhere and it won’t take long for it to be resurrected. It would be horrifying it it were intentionally taken down, as it is a repository of all kinds of information.

There has been a recent thread, from individuals in Canada, that they will not be attending because of the political climate in this country, and have begun asking about either virtual at CYTO or alternative meetings altogether outside of the US. The conversations have begun.
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#2
With the risk of being hauled away at the airport without clear cause and without due process, detained indefinitely without contact with family or attorneys… I would not want to travel to the United States either.
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#3
I have scientific colleagues in Europe. The number of high quality grad school applicants have doubled - no one wants to go to the US, so they are looking elsewhere.
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sekker wrote:
I have scientific colleagues in Europe. The number of high quality grad school applicants have doubled - no one wants to go to the US, so they are looking elsewhere.

We're facing a brain-drain.

https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20250315-fr...earch-cuts

Aix-Marseille University launched the "Safe Space for Science" initative earlier this month, offering to take in American scientists fleeing the US after the Trump administration announced it would pull funding and putting restrictions on some areas of research.

Forty US scientists have "answered the call", the university said in a press release this week.

They include academics from Stanford, Yale, NASA, the National Institute for Health (NIH), and George Washington University.

Most of the research topics are related to health – LGBT+ medicine, epidemiology, infectious diseases, inequalities, immunology, etc.), the environment and climate change, plus the humanities, social science and astrophysics, the statement said...
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#5
Tiangou wrote:
With the risk of being hauled away at the airport without clear cause and without due process, detained indefinitely without contact with family or attorneys… I would not want to travel to the United States either.

If you think Tiangou is being unreasonably concerned, see his thread above.
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pdq wrote:
[quote=Tiangou]
With the risk of being hauled away at the airport without clear cause and without due process, detained indefinitely without contact with family or attorneys… I would not want to travel to the United States either.

If you think Tiangou is being unreasonably concerned, see his thread above.
Not an isolated incident:

German Tourists Detained for Weeks, Then Deported From U.S.

Germany updates US travel advice after three citizens are detained
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Tiangou wrote:
[quote=pdq]
[quote=Tiangou]
With the risk of being hauled away at the airport without clear cause and without due process, detained indefinitely without contact with family or attorneys… I would not want to travel to the United States either.

If you think Tiangou is being unreasonably concerned, see his thread above.
Not an isolated incident:

German Tourists Detained for Weeks, Then Deported From U.S.

Germany updates US travel advice after three citizens are detained
Is Tiangou unreasonably concerned? No. No, he isn’t.

It only takes a few of these kinds of incidents to make folks think twice about coming here. That may be the point, but it’s doing collateral damage to free thinking and scientific discourse. If I were in another country, and had to be there for my job, I would think twice about coming back to the States. Would they let me in? Would I be detained? Will I be considered as “illegal” if I stayed longer than planned? Could I leave to go back to my job? Prior to January these questions would be totally bonkers, especially since I’m a born citizen from a long line of citizens. Now I have to wonder about it. Am I being unreasonable? If someone not born here is subjected to this simply to inflate the numbers of deported “illegal aliens” what makes me think I will be immune? Especially with the stories linking increased detention with being held in for-profit facilities and being denied rights that most would assume apply to individuals once they reach these shores.

Then I better watch it—I have brown eyes and brown hair and I tan easily; if I get too much sun I might be mistaken as Mexican.
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