the end of music

[Wagsredux]

My first thought - that's not bad.  And if it's that good now how good will it be next year and the year after?  OK, it's still mostly confined to commercial dreg, like country, pop and rock. When it begins to show progress in more advanced genres like jazz and classical, that will be very disturbing.  I've always chafed against the technical "advances" of musical production like autotune and drum tracks.  This is more of the same but worse and in a soul sapping way.  Combine this with the utter devaluation of music in the last couple decades due to streaming and you get a perfect storm of destruction for the working musician.

Ironic in that AI sort of mimics how we all write songs or engage in other art forms.  We spend our lives absorbing music by listening, puzzling out chord changes, studying, being mentored, practicing, jamming with friends, trying to make lyrics work.  All that input and effort bounces around in the extraordinary human brain, then magical things happen.  You dream a song, wake up with an idea, melodies and lyrics come from the ether.  AI is an immense unearned shortcut.  It's the journey that has value and that will be gone.  I'm sad for all those who will never experience it as it should be.

[Black]

Haven't watched it yet but when I saw it I assumed it was an AI song. How did I do?

[graylocks]

Haven't watched it yet but when I saw it I assumed it was an AI song. How did I do?

you guessed correctly but do watch it. Beato used a couple of AI tools and showed how a minimum of input on his part could produce a range of results. and truth be told, i found the chordal riff engaging and pulled out my guitar to figure it out. (yes Beato gave me a headstart by doing that himself but i think his guitar must be tuned down a half step or more.)

[Black]

Haven't watched it yet but when I saw it I assumed it was an AI song. How did I do?

you guessed correctly but do watch it. Beato used a couple of AI tools and showed how a minimum of input on his part could produce a range of results. and truth be told, i found the chordal riff engaging and pulled out my guitar to figure it out. (yes Beato gave me a headstart by doing that himself but i think his guitar must be tuned down a half step or more.)

Thanks, I have now. His declaration that the thought that AI could ever replace human songwriters and musicians was ridiculous.... didn't exactly flow from what came before it.

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Oh and he notes early in the video that the AI song is downtuned (Gb?)

[graylocks]

Thanks, I have now. His declaration that the thought that AI could ever replace human songwriters and musicians was ridiculous.... didn't exactly flow from what came before it.

Oh and he notes early in the video that the AI song is downtuned (Gb?)

Given how much play services like Spotify are giving to AI generated tracks perhaps Beato feels that the general listening public doesn't even notice or care.

Missed his remark about the downtuning. Glad to know I'm not totally crazy.

[BernDog]

My first thought - that's not bad.  And if it's that good now how good will it be next year and the year after?  OK, it's still mostly confined to commercial dreg, like country, pop and rock. When it begins to show progress in more advanced genres like jazz and classical, that will be very disturbing.  I've always chafed against the technical "advances" of musical production like autotune and drum tracks.  This is more of the same but worse and in a soul sapping way.  Combine this with the utter devaluation of music in the last couple decades due to streaming and you get a perfect storm of destruction for the working musician.

Ironic in that AI sort of mimics how we all write songs or engage in other art forms.  We spend our lives absorbing music by listening, puzzling out chord changes, studying, being mentored, practicing, jamming with friends, trying to make lyrics work.  All that input and effort bounces around in the extraordinary human brain, then magical things happen.  You dream a song, wake up with an idea, melodies and lyrics come from the ether.  AI is an immense unearned shortcut.  It's the journey that has value and that will be gone.  I'm sad for all those who will never experience it as it should be.

There’s nothing any more challenging to AI to do the same thing with any other genres. When AI will truly have bridged the gap will be when it can output novelty. It’s all currently in the mimicry stage, as evidenced. Unfortunately, that’s how humans learn to create too.

[JoeM]

I imagine we still have a few years before it can match John Lennon's creativity.