ZFS, Apple's new file system

[Sam3]

Now this is cool... http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=123 I hadn't heard about this before, but it makes sense. Running out of space? stick a new hard drive in and forget about it. Space is now automagically greater.

NOW upgrading to Leopard makes more sense. It won't be just s 'pretty-boy' upgrade.

[elmo3]

Not just that, but ZFS is what enables TimeMachine.

In fact, TimeMachine is just a GUI on top of a ZFS standard feature.

Don't drink the kool-aid. Apple didn't invent anything particularly nifty here. They take advantage of it, but they didn't invent it.

[BigGuynRusty]

[quote elmo3]Not just that, but ZFS is what enables TimeMachine.

In fact, TimeMachine is just a GUI on top of a ZFS standard feature.

Don't drink the kool-aid. Apple didn't invent anything particularly nifty here. They take advantage of it, but they didn't invent it.
TimeMachine runs fine with HFS+
But ZFS rocks!

I thank the Lords that Apple didn't invent ZFS, it was invented by SUN, was originally called the ZettaByte File System, a 128bit addressable file structure.
My best unix buddy is always talking ZFS for the last three-four years.
Why am I thankful?
Because most of the computer industry hates Apple, that sort of blind rage hate, honestly if Apple invented "Mr. Fusion" tomorrow and gave it away free, no one in the industry would use it.
Example? FireWire, why did Microsoft cripple their OS to limit FW speed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394#O...em_support
No reason, they just did.

When Rendezvous (now Bonjour) was first introed by Apple, industry pundits were blasting Apple for dreaming up another "Wacky Apple" invention, they shut up quick when they found out it was an open standard,

This has been going on for decades with Apple, a short list.:
TORX screws used on the original Mac, called "Proprietary" by the industry pundits, "the tools required to open up the Mac are only available from Apple" total BS, TORX screws were invented by Textron and were an industry standard years before Apple was even a company.

ADB "Apple Proprietary, cable only available from Apple for megabucks!" More BS, it is a mini-DIN cable, also called "S-Video" cables.

LocalTalk, 3-pin Mini-DIN connectors, I used to make my own "Proprietary only from Apple" cables at work. I did a small prayer of thanks to Farralon for PhoneNet though!
Crimping modular connectors onto silver satin cable was 100X faster then soldering! Also being able to blow off 90% of the network to the "Phone Dudes" was cool.

3,5" Floppies, the industry flipped when Apple introed the Sony discs. Quickly adopted by the same industry that flipped out over another perceived "Apple Proprietary" item.

The list goes on and on and on.

BGnR

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[quote BigGuynRusty]The list goes on and on and on.
BGnR: You're so right! Thanks for an interesting post.

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[quote elmo3]Apple didn't invent anything particularly nifty here. They take advantage of it, but they didn't invent it.
Okay, but has anyone else taken advantage of it in a way similar to Time Machine?

It sounds like you partake of the anti-Kool-Aid, elmo. Is creating "just a GUI" like Time Machine really that easy? I'd imagine that if 'anyone could do it,' someone else already would have done so...

[tenders]

> TORX screws used on the original Mac, called "Proprietary" by the industry
> pundits, "the tools required to open up the Mac are only available from Apple" total
> BS, TORX screws were invented by Textron and were an industry standard years
> before Apple was even a company.

I dunno about this one. You must admit that didn't *help* consumers open their Macs considering that most other $2000 PC hardware at the time used Phillips screws. The HEADS of the Mac Plus retaining screws most certainly were standard Torx (and are used on lots of other things, including car taillight lenses) but at least two of those screws sat at the bottom of a deep, narrow tunnel. Any ordinary driver was both too short and too fat to fit down there. The TOOL to open the Plus was a bizarre piece of hex-sided metal rod, 12 inches long, with a handle twisted in the shape of a "T"...you can't tell me that's a standard part.

[JoeH]

Some of the drivers sold specifically to open those first Macs were non-standard, but you could get standard long shaft drivers from any tool supply that sold Torx to do the same thing. In fact that is what I did some 20+ years ago. I eventually did get one of the specialized tools when it was on closeout for $1. Mine was made from round stock with the Torx tip forged onto it.

P.S. You must not hang out with any mechanics, they are continually swearing at designers who put fasteners at the bottom of "deep, narrow tunnels". It is so common, the tool makers have all kinds of solutions if you bother to look.

[Lew Zealand]

The inventive/desparate also used an off the shelf flat head screwdriver. I opened a great many Pluses, SEs & SE/30s with a very long but otherwise regular flat screwdriver. Just have to get the right size and it didn't even cam out or strip any screws.

[BigGuynRusty]

[quote tenders]>I dunno about this one. You must admit that didn't *help* consumers open their Macs considering that most other $2000 PC hardware at the time used Phillips screws. The HEADS of the Mac Plus retaining screws most certainly were standard Torx (and are used on lots of other things, including car taillight lenses) but at least two of those screws sat at the bottom of a deep, narrow tunnel. Any ordinary driver was both too short and too fat to fit down there. The TOOL to open the Plus was a bizarre piece of hex-sided metal rod, 12 inches long, with a handle twisted in the shape of a "T"...you can't tell me that's a standard part.
Not true TenderVittles.
The "Computer Tool Kit" I purchased in 1980 for $9.50 had six TORX bits of varying sizes, they fit onto a magnetized handle about six inches long, it also came with a six inch extension, put together the handle, extension, and TORX bit an the Mac was apart in seconds! With the help of a 12" steel ruler from the drafting department.
I remember that company that sold the $25 Mac Case Cracker Kit, it was the same company that in 1986 starting selling the $30 "ADB Extender" cable, it was the same gray six foot S-Video cable extender I would buy in Studio City for five bucks. Four bucks per if you bought a ten pack!

You see ChickenTenders, where you saw " two of those screws sat at the bottom of a deep, narrow tunnel", I saw the opportunity to dive into my toolkit!
You gotta open your eyes, as well as your mind Tenderlee!

BGnR
Compaq used TORX screws way before Apple.

[laarree]

ZFS sounds really great. A bit of googling turns up much more info:
This from last year: http://arstechnica.com/staff/fatbits.ars/2006/8/15/4995
This from the end of last year: http://news.worldofapple.com/archives/20...x-leopard/

Still, is this a sure thing for Leopard? It sounds like it's still unconfirmed.