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Carpentry project, updated
#1
picking up from a previous thread....

Trouble wrote:

If the speaker is a two-way, and it sounds like it is, that woofer is projecting midrange tones as well and those are directional. IIRC, only very low freqs below 200 Hz are nondirectional. Personally I wouldn't cut anything. Add a spring release to close the door automatically or some other solution that doesn't require cutting.

A pic would help.

A spring release to close the door? A recommendation of no opening cut in panel for sound to travel through, a solution that doesn't require cutting?

I can see that I've unintentionally misled, with my ambiguous text descriptions. My own fault for using words where a picture would illustrate much better.

I took the advice offered, and am including snapshots to illustrate the audio/video center.





Note: In the photo depicting the door panel open, we see an acoustic guitar, and a floor standing speaker. This is the speaker I want to make an opening in the panel for. There is also a bookshelf speaker above it, on the shelf. I got an additional baffle, a single one, for that speaker, optionally. But since its position isn't permanent, this is not decided yet, so not our concern for now. It's the floor-standing speaker I'm currently focused on.

Also note, there's an in-wall speaker above the plasma TV, the center channel. That's the type of baffle, though, not the shape. I considered getting a rectangular baffle, and cutting a rectangular hole, to be consistent, but as it turns out, rectangular baffles like that one aren't as easy to find, they're in a set that includes an in-wall speaker. (as seen already installed above TV) Round baffles, however, are more available, affordable, and common. And I prefer not to make a custom baffle with fabric. I really am happy with car-speaker-like, white round metal speaker baffles.

Allowing a way for sound to go directly through that sliding wooden panel, relatively unobstructed, via an opening, regardless of whether panel is open or closed, is actually a pretty normal and sensible solution. Contrary suggestions, or different types of projects, aren't unwelcome. I can entertain alternate ideas. Or, I can dismiss those suggestions, and restate my original question, about methods to cut the hole for the baffles already chosen.

To address the woofer question, and omnidirectional. I think this is more of a theoretical thing, I get it. But there's a reason I want a baffle for the lower cone, for the sound waves to escape through. I don't agree that area should remain blocked, since it's low-frequency, omnidirectional, and doesn't matter. If we remove the baffle covering a large two-way speaker, it reveals a pair of round speaker cones, a woofer, and a tweeter, housed in a rectangular box. Facing outward. True? Yes, true. If so, a pair of round holes, with a secondary set of baffles, though imperfect, essentially mimics how a stereo speaker is built.

I can accept that design, even though I, too, understand that lower-frequency sound waves behave differently than higher-frequency ones. An opening for forward-facing woofer cone, as well as an opening for the forward-facing tweeter cone, still makes sense here.

Since stereo speakers are designed that way, working with that design as a starting point is useful for a project like this. An minimally-invasive opening in the door panel is a good idea. Ideally an opening that allows for the sound to project forward, toward the listener, through relatively unobstructed, minimally-altered space. Plus, it's a fun project.

Anyone near Seattle with a box full of tools and an afternoon to kill?
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Pics aren't showing Sad
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#3
I am not a DB user to know for sure but did you set preferences for public viewing?

https ://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Public/panelright.JPG?w=8b1b6fa3
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#4
I'm brand new at Dropbox, sorry. I parked the images in the public folder. I thought that was all that's required. I'll go back and explore the preferences. Thanks for letting me know.
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I used Adobe Ideas, on my iPad, to doodle a crude diagram layer on the snapshot, the placement is sloppy, but that indicates roughly where the holes will be, for the round white enamel-coated metal speaker baffles.

Usually, the big door panel is in the left position, hiding the computer, and doesn't cover the speaker. Leaving it uncovered, speaker unobstructed, is the default position. On occasion the panel is closed, computer revealed, blocking that right speaker. The baffle-covered holes idea is so that in either position, both channels are audible.

Also, it means I don't have to get up off the couch to slide the panel open, if it's just to watch the news, or something where good stereo sound isn't required, but I could still get okay sound in both right and left channels.

I'm reading earlier posts, with suggestions for best tool type to make some neat holes (with amateur carpentry skills) or get a friend or handyman to help. With this illustration, I hope the visuals help suggest ideas for tools or methods to make the holes.


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#7
Without the speakers actually being attached to the baffles, you are going to have a lot of reflective sound bouncing around inside of the closet. It will sound "muffled." That side will wind up being muted and muddled. I would not be pleased with it.

I would cut a large rectangle out of the door, about 6" larger all around than the speaker. Use either a contrasting or matching grill cloth to cover the opening. I would also move the speaker forward to be as close to the opening as possible reducing any bouncing sound waves.

Good luck with whatever you do! :wall:
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#8
I won't completely rule out a rectangle. What makes it less of a concern is, currently, ALL the sound bounces around inside the closet, WHEN the door is covering the right speaker, which is only maybe 10-20% of the time. And never when watching a movie. Plus, well, round baffles are ordered and on the way. My question was about cutting a hole, lol, not about how to reframe the project, RMA back materials, and open the whole thing up for review.

A rectangle and fabric, or circle, and metal baffle, not a significant factor, for such limited use. The sound wouldn't be ideal in any case. A minor customization, and some convenience, is enough to improve situation.

Just wait, instead of photos, when it's done, I'll upload sound files lol...illustrating sound differences each way. Good thing I'm not an interior designer, or builder, my solutions look more like those of an amateur musician and computer guy.
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#9
I'd wait until the covers show up, then put some blue painter's tape where they are going and draw a circle around the covers. Then I'd move 1/2 inch inside the circle and draw another one. Then I'd drill a hole in the middle and use a jigsaw to cut out the inner hole. Take the tape off and screw on the covers and you're done.

It won't matter if you are precise; as long as you don't go over the outer pencil mark with the jigsaw you will cover the wanderings of the jigsaw with the cover.
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#10
I'd remove the door entirely. I'd also consider a fabric curtain in its place, but probably wouldn't bother. $.02
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